Friday News Roundup - Domestic
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2013-02-15/friday-news-roundup-domestic
President Barack Obama travels to promote the agenda for his second term. American Airlines and US Airways merge. And a Senate showdown begins over the nomination of Chuck Hagel as defense secretary. A panel of journalists joins Diane for analysis of the week's top domestic news stories.
Guests
Susan Page
Washington bureau chief for USA Today.
Karen Tumulty
national political reporter at The Washington Post.
David Leonhardt
Washington bureau chief for The New York Times and author of the e-book: “Here’s the Deal: How Washington Can Solve the Deficit and Spur Growth”.
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President Barack Obama proposed raising the federal minimum wage to $9 an hour during the first State of the Union of his second term. Washington Post reporter Karen Tumulty said the change is unlikely to take effect under the current economic climate. She described a focus group of lower middle class women who responded negatively to the proposal. "This is not going to be an easy sell," Tumulty said.
USA Today bureau chief Susan Page said the president used his address to set a vision for the country rather than a laundry list of legislative goals. "What struck me about the president's State of the Union address was how aspirational it was because he talked not only about the things he thinks can get done, like an immigration bill. He talked about a series of things that he knows are very unlikely to get done," Page said.
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Caller "Nelson" who attacked "right-wing" radio "forgot" about folks like Chris Dorner, an avowed liberal and Democrat. But then it all made sense when I read this:
"In the wake of a tragedy, it is understandable to ask why this happened. It is appropriate to discuss ways to keep it from happening again.
But we should draw the line at suddenly giving an exalted place in our national discourse to the political rantings of a murderer ... Today, with the families of the dead still grieving, it is very hard for me to shift away to focus on Dorner's political views... We should not validate his quest for attention by discussing his political thinking, especially not while mourning families are planning funerals."
- Van Jones. You can read the whole editorial on the CNN website.
I laughed until the tears rolled down my cheeks!
I sure am glad for the consistency of the left!
Hagel has nothing to do with Benghazi. Get at that a legit way and why those Republicans are at it apply those standards to the false pre war intelligence that the Bush administration sold to the majority of the American people. Just a tiny bit of consistency would be go along way
ecgberht2, these people don't listen to "right wing radio" they hear and regurgitate out of context clips from liberal news sources.
DrMilkey the over use of the filibuster is confirming that Republicans with a "legacy of polarization"
kathleen wrote: "Hagel has nothing to do with Benghazi"
You would deny the opposition any leverage to get at the truth? You are nothing more than a shill for the democrat party.
@kathleen,
"waiting for a shoe to drop", looking for a pubic hair on a coke can, "women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists could be censored at the whim of the Government, and the doors of the Federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is—and is often the only—protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy ".
Can you enlighten us as to the difference?
The fact is, while he inherited a difficult economy, this President has only succeeded in making the United States even weaker economically. A successful Hagel nomination as Secretary of Defense, which will set the wheels in motion toward dismantling the DOD, will only serve to make us weak militarily as well, in addition to alienating our strongest mid-east ally. The nomination deserves the most dilligent of scrutiny.
I finally got online and as reading the comments. Competing definitions of fascism caught my eye. Is it a right-wing or left-wing ideology?
On my computer, I have an application called Dictionary, Version 2.0.2 (51.4), © Copyright 2005-2007 Apple Inc., All rights reserved.
Here's the complete text of the fascism entry.
"fascism |ˈfa sh ˌizəm| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
DERIVATIVES
fascist |ˈføʃəst| noun & adjective
fascistic |faˈ sh istik| |føˈʃɪstɪk| |-ˈʃɪstɪk| adjective
ORIGIN from Italian fascismo, from fascio ‘bundle, political group,’ from Latin fascis (see fasces )."
... no comment?
kathleen wrote: "legacy of polarization"
No one fits this better than Obama.
polarized, to break up into opposing factions or groupings
Kathleen wrote: DrMilkey the over use of the filibuster is confirming that Republicans with a "legacy of polarization"
Your point is well taken, but I was not trying to point fingers or lay blame, just trying to understand David's comment.
Kathryn Houser wrote: "I was horrified by the way you tried to dodge the question about the effects of right-wing radio talk shows. It's your main weakness as a host...that you won't allow opinions that you disagree with to be heard. I would have liked to hear what your guests had to say about the issue of public discourse. Obviously we have free speech (more or less) in the country, but the media also has a responsibility to make people aware of what kinds dangerous activities are going on in their country so that citizens can respond."
Question: Are you most concerned with "rabble-rousing" from the right or "rabble-rousing" from the left? From my point of view.... there is a disproportionate amount from BOTH sides. You can't whine about Rush and Sean without also pointing out such "scholarly" entities as Bill Press, Bill Maher, Chris Matthews, Mornin' Joe, The View... and a plethora of other minions from the left. So... you want to silence both sides or???
@ The Last Moderate: You probably rely on Wikipedia for the rest of your factual info too????
Dan D. wrote: The Last Coward, what, you're not going to drop some insults and run away?
Wow, look at the grimy pot taunting the silver kettle! ("Last Coward"? This guy really needs to get out more!) No, thank you, I don't "drop insults and run away." I could flag you as offensive for that -- ecgberht2 would, if it was him. But I won't, because everyone has the right to make an ass of himself on the Internet.
I didn't write that definition. I didn't edit it. I didn't say I agreed with it. What is your problem?
Anna:
Take a Valium. Your comments are purely nonsensical, incapable of being supported by even a single fact, and amount to nothing more than left wing talking points.
Sen. Rubio thanked the system for the loans that allowed him to be educated. He specifically cited the need to see to the perpetuation of Medicare. And to describe a Libertarian point of view as "Fascist" is not only ignorant, it is downright stupid.
Try Media Matters - their rants will be right up your alley.
The Last Moderate wrote: "I don't "drop insults and run away."
Yes you do, twice to me actually. Cowardly and a liar Aye.
Thanks for that LM! You confirm that the term Fascism is rightly applied to the Liberal Progressive Democratic party (LPD). What is throwing you here is the term "right-wing". The LPD has successfully insulated itself by attaching the term "liberal" to itself, and the term "right-wing" to Conservatives. But what your definition acually refers to is "right-wing authoritarianism", not the meaning that we typically attach to the "left" and "right" in this country.
"Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it".
Certainly a dead match for today's government-dependency party, when you consider such issues as Obamacare, Global Warming, religious freedom, open and free markets, Government regulation, and on and on.
climatewiz1 wrote: @ The Last Moderate: You probably rely on Wikipedia for the rest of your factual info too????
Sure! How else am I going to keep my comic book continuity straight? ;>
What I like about Wikipedia is that information will be complete, more so than the old World Book Encyclopedia (anybody, including a climatewiz1, can add to the entries), and also that there are zero advertisements. (Hey, maybe that's why I like public radio, too.)
Who's for reading Wikipedia's dissertation on fascism?
TLM wrote:
"I could flag you as offensive for that -- ecgberht2 would, if it was him."
And you know that how? I have flagged exactly three posters' posts as offensive, and all were individuals who made direct personal attacks at me, which is a violation of DR Show Code of Conduct and has no place here.
One who called me a racist with no support in anything I have written on this site.
The other two who made pointed personal attacks, one making a physical threat.
Other than that, I let most stuff slide, so please refrain from speaking for me, ok?
Last Moderate-- the Wikipedia listing confirms thatat Fascisms economic underpinnings are a centrally controlled economy. your definition is incomplete and lacking in perspective. Because they way fascism controls a society is ultimately by economics., as lefties ALWAYS want to do.
Dan D., you are a joke!
In my last comment addressing you, I relied heavily on irony. It is a form of wit. Yes, I did analogize you as a grimy pot and say that you were allowed to make an ass of yourself. Can you not recognize this form of humor? I'm sure anybody else reading the comments found it very funny that, after one guy insults another unprovoked and taunts him for never insulting anyone, the second guy gives such a tongue-in-cheek response.
Get a life!
@ ecgberht2: Sorry, man. I plead incomplete information. Sincerest apologies, won't let it happen again.
*sigh*
ecgberht2, please tell Dan D. to get a grip.
Good comment on Rubio. He's a hustler who caters to a tribal constituency that seeks to decentralize government to go back to the 19th century. I think we need to be clear that that vision is genuine and the urge to do it is not just something the rich want but that people of a certain demographic but consists of all economic classes seem to want--not for practical or rational reasons but for cultural and "moral" reasons.
John McCain has been a hoot when it comes to Hagel. Sen. McCain says Hagel`s made bad choices in the past,therefore he is unqualified. CHUCKLE!! One of those choices was to back and support Sen. McCain for President.
I`ve been waiting for years for somebody to tell me what the surge was successful at? Did it return the dead to life? Did it return our wealth to our treasuries? PLEASE,PLEASE,I beg you,WHAT DID THE SURGE WIN ?? Was American honor and respect returned.Not that either. WHAT,WHAT??
VanFrom Greensboro: I often admire your comments, but you are correct that ann nimmity topped us all today, and I'm not even a Democrat. But it's hard to deal with Democrat fraud when Republicans have become fascist nihilists.
So Obama polarizes racist fascists just by appearing kinda Black. I wish the right wing robo-callers here would take about half a page describing their firearms and marksmanship so that we peaceful commentators will know what to expect if we should ever debate them in person. Here's right wing stormtroopers making veiled threats and insulting earnest people, and then they want to flag the defensive response as offensive: typical mafia thug behavior in political guise. (Gyp Rosetti?) I have warned DRShow they better get tough before a real in-person assault occurs. That assault will most likely come from a wound up White male T-party or gun toter type. They advocate the bullet box. Remember all what I have predicted. It would not be unusual in this violence prone society. I hope not to be shot by some nut.
Christopher Stahnke wrote:
"Good comment on Rubio. He's a hustler who caters to a tribal constituency that seeks to decentralize government to go back to the 19th century".
Actually, Christopher, that desire to decentralize government goes back farther than that. It goes all the way back to 1788 when the Constitution which formed our REPUBLIC was ratified.
Pancake Rankin wrote:
"Here's right wing stormtroopers making veiled threats and insulting earnest people"
"I have warned DRShow they better get tough"
Doesn't the cognitive dissonance hurt your head, Pancake? You really shouldn't use such threatening language!
"I hope not to be shot by some nut."
You mean like Chris Dorner the liberal Democrat?
Last Mod: Are you assuming identity fragmentation (dissociative personality disorder) when you request one alter ego ask another to "get a grip?"
Wasn't it a female commentator on this site who last week prompted a wrong winger to go upstairs from his basement gamer lair because "Mom says you pizza rolls are ready?"
I've found one can write the word "fascist" and that these dung beetles will come a running without further inducement to defend their faith. You need not even mention a name or subject. I'm gonna try "pedophile" next week and see which fish bite. Grady Lee Howard wore out the term "racist" teasing those dupes for several years. I miss him. He was sharp like a tack.
Take note who rang, and get that IP address on record.
No patience. No self-control. No restraint.
Pure ego impulse. Sociopathic.
pjnuge wrote and asked for an apology. I don`t know why. I`m tired of all the name calling by right wing extremists. I can understand some of the confusion on the right.They get their information from Fox or Rush.
THe Nazi Fascists stole the wealth of the citizens and hid it in their own personal Swiss bank accounts. Gee,who does that?
The Nazi Fascists were not fond of elections. Once in,they change the rules so you can`t get them out. Gee,who does that?