Federal And State Efforts To Reduce Gun Violence
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2013-01-16/federal-and-state-efforts-reduce-gun-violence
Later this morning President Obama is scheduled to announce his proposals reduce gun violence in this country. He’s expected to highlight the need for better background checks, limits on the sale of high capacity magazines and a new ban on assault weapons. His push comes a month after the mass shootings in Newtown, Connecticut. New York is the first state to take action in the aftermath of that tragedy. A new law signed yesterday by Governor Andrew Cuomo imposes new restrictions on gun ownership and it strengthens rules to prevent mentally ill people from gaining access to guns. Please join us for an update on federal and state efforts to reduce gun violence
Guests
Jon Cohen
director, polling, Capital Insight, the independent polling group of the Washington Post
Fawn Johnson
correspondent, National Journal magazine.
Richard Feldman
president, Independent Firearm Owners Association
Ladd Everitt
director of communications, The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.
Congressman Jim Langevin
2nd Congressional District, Rhode Island (Democrat)
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Patrick Henry, in the Virginia ratification convention June 5, 1788, argued for the dual rights to arms and resistance to oppression:
Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
In these anti-government times promoted by the T-Party/Republicans,it will be even more difficult for our public officials to do their jobs. That job includes keeping the population safe from terrorists..
If the majority of people cannot leave home,because of fear of the NRA NeoNutzi`s gunning us down while shopping,going to work or school,we got a problem..While our government is prohibited from doing it`s job.This represents a sad future for the United States.
Talk about CRAZY.. The gun spokesmen and advocates that have been on tv and radio make me think these gun folks are ALL,*** NUTS *** ,and just an instant away from exploding.
"If the majority of people cannot leave home,because of fear of the NRA NeoNutzi`s gunning us down while shopping,going to work or school,we got a problem.."
The Nazis were the ones to impose confiscations of the peoples arms. The Nazis were the ones to use the propaganda of never ending lies to push an agenda. It was the Nazis who ignored the previous Weimar Republic Constitution, which the Nazis denounced as a historical aberration, the Reichstag changed the Weimar Constitution to allow Hitler's government to to take control. SOUND FAMILIAR. The Nazis were the ones to demonize their enemies as sub human, and shortly afterwords were burning them in ovens.
Were any of those murderers you refer to Clifford members of the NRA? of course not.
Who is the Nazi Clifford?
The Nazi`s never went door to door collecting guns. The Nazi`s went door to door killing anyone who wasn`t a believer in their "Master Race" theology,or what the NeoNutzi`s call the "Job Creator" society. Lets see who did the Nazi`s target? The Unions. The Socialists. The teachers. The non Christians...Immigrants... GAYS !!!... Minorities...Gee, who today has the same targets of their hatred ???
Clifford, if it wasn't for lies you would have nothing to say. The Nazis were Socialists, you know the (NSDAP), known in English as the German National Socialist Workers Party. Give me evidence that the tea party or republicans have done anything to harm "The teachers. The non Christians...Immigrants... GAYS !!!... Minorities" Give me actual evidence of harm, show me evidence of a deliberate effort to personally harm anyone?
Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English)
Classified guns for "sporting purposes".
All citizens who wished to purchase firearms had to register with the Nazi officials and have a background check.
Presumed German citizens were hostile and thereby exempted Nazis from the gun control law.
Gave Nazis unrestricted power to decide what kinds of firearms could, or could not be owned by private persons.
The types of ammunition that were legal were subject to control by bureaucrats.
Juveniles under 18 years could not buy firearms and ammunition.
The Nazis went door to door Clifford, not only to take their guns but their lives.
Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons
11 November 1938
With a basis in §31 of the Weapons Law of 18 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p.265), Article III of the Law on the Reunification of Austria with Germany of 13 March 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 237), and §9 of the Führer and Chancellor's decree on the administration of the Sudeten-German districts of 1 October 1938 (Reichsgesetzblatt I, p 1331) are the following ordered:
§1
Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.
§2
Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation.
§3
The Minister of the Interior may make exceptions to the Prohibition in §1 for Jews who are foreign nationals. He can entrust other authorities with this power.
§4
Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine. In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years.
§5
For the implementation of this regulation, the Minister of the Interior waives the necessary legal and administrative provisions.
§6
This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.
Berlin, 11 November 1938
Minister of the Interior
Frick
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While the Holocaust Museum have the grim task of never letting the world forget about the slaughter of 6 million Jews,it only tells half the tale.We forget about the other 6 1/2 million non Jews slaughtered. Even the mentally ill and disabled were executed,to achieve their goal of 'small government',more efficient and cost effective.
It took many years for their Propaganda Ministry to harden the hearts of Germans,so when they came for people,they were passive,believing the Black shirts and Brown shirts were only getting rid of vermin..
Fox News,Rush Limbaugh,Glenn Beck,and the rest are doing exactly the same thing here today.A 24/7 pounding of hate your fellow American.
If the NRA NeoNutzi`s are truly afraid of the BIG GOVERNMENT MILITARY,coming to get them...STOP!! supporting T-Party/Republicans,who refuse to cut the very very fat military budget. It`s even TOO big to audit.
So far, Clifford, anti-gun zealots like you who lie, obfuscate, and distort, have done more to drive up gun sales and subscriptions to the NRA than all their PR efforts combined. Nice going ... and keep it up!
Since Sandy Hook, the debate on gun control has been front and center in a divisive way it hasn't seen in years and it is clear to me now why that is. The President and the left say, "I don't want to take away your rifle, I don't want to take away your handgun, I just want reasonable changes like registrations and the removal of heavy artillery". To a disinterested observer, perhaps a perfectly reasonable point of view. But the NRA and Conservatives will not give an inch, will not listen, will not engage on the topic. Why? I think the simple answer is one word; "trust". They no longer believe the man at the head of his party. Should they? Between 2008 and 2012, the President lost more than 4M votes. 33 electoral votes, and 2 states. Something has changed and I think it is "trust". Hope and Change became locked congressional committee meetings, zero compromise, and thus a strictly partisan vote on health care, trillions in new debt, We won the election we write the bills. People learned that there is nothing new. Now the President has set a clear course to try to divide and destroy the Republican Party once and for all. So when he says "I don't want to take away your guns", why would anyone believe him? There is no trust. Because he is black? (save it liberals). Or because he has a four-year record of not being trust WORTHY?
WHEATLAND TOWNSHIP, Mich. -- "Members of a rural Michigan-based Christian militia who believed a battle with the Antichrist was coming were plotting to attack police officers in hopes of fomenting a violent uprising against the government, federal prosecutors alleged.
Seven men and one woman believed to be part of the group called Hutaree were arrested over the weekend after raids in Michigan, Indiana and Ohio. The ninth suspect was arrested Monday night after a search in southern Michigan and was expected to be arraigned Tuesday".by foxnews.com/us/2010/03/28
How about para military NRA gun nuts like Tim McVeigh,and Oklahoma City. Hoping their attack will create race war .Do we need a recap of the KKK,Skin Heads,Neo Natzi`s,once on the fringe of the Republican Party,NOW IN CONTROL?
Dozens of police officers targeted and killed,believing the right wing radio echo chamber,of Obama`s coming for your guns nonsense.The Tides Foundation attack averted. A gunmen thwarted in his rage ,spurred by Glenn Beck`s call to kill innocent...
The argument that we need to arm ourselves for protection against a "tyrannical" government is anachronistic. It falls flat on several accounts: (1) The restrictions placed on "liberty" by our government are not amenable to resolve by weapons. How do you "combat" the rise of special interests that govern our lives thu Wall Street Banksterism, corporate greed/graft/influence, special legislation that favors one group over another. The "elites" already manipulate the common man without the need of force; (2) Analogies regarding the Jews and Russia/Nazis are irrelevant. The government would be required to us the military which is composed of a variety of ethnic groups. Does anyone really think that the military would unquestioningly abide an order to capture Toledo, Ohio? Although we do have racism in this country - it doesn't rise to level that produces a civil war as in other countries. The only thing that comes close is the rift between the haves and the have nots but as long as we can amuse ourselves with moronic tv reality shows, sports, and our sordid entertainment industry our society will be somewhat stable.
I do beleive that we need arms for self-protection from the common thief. As the future unfolds, the scarcity of resources and the results of a failed stewardship of our economy by the poltiicians will manifest in the good times that we are used to being gone. I don't envision a Mad Max scenario, but something similar to the Argentinian collapse and a Mexico-light version.
The issue over the 2nd amendment has been dominated by extremists on both sides - and once again, showing that we as Americans cannot come together to solve a problem for the common good. Reasaonble reform would require that the NRA, Hollywood - yes, they glorify violence, the vidoe gaming industry, mental health industry, and law enforcement come together for a rational solution. It will never be done, we are too dysfunctional as a nation.
At the time the 2nd Amendment was enacted, if a man 30 feet away was running at you with a hatchet in hand with intention to do you harm, you would be lucky to get a shot off (much less accurate one), before he did so.
A sane person should realize that no one should need a gun capable of killing dozens of people in a few seconds for self-defense. Those that like to use these weapons to get their “rocks off” in target practice, should realize that they need to balance their “freedom” to enjoy this pleasure against the “freedom” of someone‘s ability, who for some unforeseen reason some day becomes “unhinged”, to commit mass murder.
Somewhere between a squirt gun and a missile launcher there should be a line drawn as to what a citizen needs own to protect themselves.
Keep in mind there will be even more efficient instruments of mass carnage invented for folks to own in the future. Let's curb the trend now a bit.
Aye?
President Obama has said, " “the starting point is to focus on what makes sense, what works, and what we should be doing to make our children safe."
I completely agree, my concern is regarding assault weapon bans. The elements they wish to ban would not have stopped the Columbine, Virginia Tech, Colorado theater, or Newton killers.
Pistol grips and high capacity clips would not have prevented any of these horrors.
Lets see an emphasis on screening and checks.
President Obama has said, " “the starting point is to focus on what makes sense, what works, and what we should be doing to make our children safe."
I completely agree, my concern is regarding assault weapon bans. The elements they wish to ban would not have stopped the Columbine, Virginia Tech, Colorado theater, or Newton killers.
Pistol grips and high capacity clips would not have prevented any of these horrors.
Lets see an emphasis on screening and checks.
I don’t believe the reason U.S. gun murder rate is 20 times the average of other developed countries is that America has 20 times the rate of “mentally compromised” folks.
More likely it has to do with the ease with which folks can obtain these weapons to act upon impulses.
“Guns may not kill people”, but people couldn’t commit mass murder if they hadn’t easy access to these weapons.
As far as trying to have rational conversation with those among arming themselves in the event Special Forces units drop in via helicopter to take their high powered weapons away, I think that cause is lost.
These folks should seek psychological help. Those who don’t, I wish would get together and set up their own “Free” military state of Warlords somewhere far away.
Since neither is likely to happen, the least America can do for these folks is see them for what they are, pity them, and ignore their ravings.
Since the Civil War the military has been used to kill liberals.I do not recall the killing of righty`s. Kent State,just 30 mins from here.The Republican NRA Governor, Jim Rhodes said,"they had it coming". The Bonus Army,wanted the benefits due the,you got it,SHOT. 1000`s of striking union protestors,shot and killed at many many events,many in the back and unarmed. Today the NRA & Republicans call them 'thugs'.
2nd Amendment- "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.“
"It seems obvious that intent was that citizens would have their rifles handy when the Militia was called out, so gov would not have to provide them, in event of foreign invasion.
However, the current equivalent of the Militia, the National Guard, does not make use of the members' personal weapons, so 2nd Amendment has actually become irrelevant.” -
(Slightly revised quote borrowed from a separate “discussion”)
Maybe some are too young to know what an Armory is?
Drew Kelly wrote:
""It seems obvious that intent was that citizens would have their rifles handy when the Militia was called out, so gov would not have to provide them, in event of foreign invasion."
Only to a low-information thinker. Look, the fact is the words of the amendment may be interpreted two different ways and the sticky point is the latter 14 words. So here are the two interpretations:
1) A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed because they may be needed to be part of the militia. (your interpretation)
2) A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed because the militia of the state is armed and consequently, an armed citizenry is our guarantee against tyranny.
Now, what was the intent? What I assert is that the intent of the Bill of Rights is to limit the power of government against its citizens [this is THE key point, and I refer you again to the archives.gov site on The Constitution], and in the case of the Second Amendment to secure against the tyranny of the government [I refer you to quotes of Washington and Jefferson in other DRshow threads on this topic], not to provide a method of staffing a militia! Within the context of the Bill of Rights, an amendment that simply staffs a militia is completely out of place. And I know that is the intent, because it is the intent, language, and historical context of every other of the first ten amendments.
We should take basic steps toward common sense law enforcement to try and reign in unnecessary gun violence. Thirty thousand gun deaths a year are too many.
The provision requiring a therapist to report any patient they think might use a gun is completely wrong. Therapists cannot predict whether someone will go on a shooting rampage. What if something does happen but the therapist did not report the person? Is the therapist now responsible? And once on the list, is the patient ever going to able to get off the list? This does not improve mental health care, it says to therapists: You figure it out! and it says to patients: Don't seek help because you'll be reported if you say something wrong.
It should concern us that our government, while in the middle of curbing our freedoms through such anti american legislation as 'the patriot act & NDAA', now want to further their agenda by banning our guns.
Hitler did the same thing, as did All other dictatorships.
Ban the guns, take away the people's right to defend themselves....simple
Oh, and let's don't forget to mention, 99% of the kooks that commit these killings are on some kind of anti psychotropic medication....but big pharma has done a great job of keeping the lid on this information.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy(government) with a gun is a good guy with a gun"
Harvard study
For example, Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland's murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns. As the study's authors write in the report:
If the mantra "more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death" were true, broad cross-national comparisons should show that nations with higher gun ownership per capita consistently have more death. Nations with higher gun ownership rates, however, do not have higher murder or suicide rates than those with lower gun ownership. Indeed many high gun ownership nations have much lower murder rates. (p. 661)
please read the whole thing at
http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
Wouldn't removing the muzzle order on attributing what kind of guns to what crimes be useful in curtailing gun violence?
Why can't the govt use the existing system like that of the BMV to license gun ownership and issue "dog-tags" for each of the guns the person owns. They register the device (free till 2014) and after that they pay similar fees to what is done for cars. When they make a private sale they transfer the title.
The comments of one of your guests saying that private sales amount to a black market that the NRA has "legalized" are an extreme and inaccurate characterization of the true situation. Citizens of the states that allow private sales are required to follow all state laws, and all applicable federal laws, regardless of whether the government supports sellers performing checks - which the government currently does not. For example, in my state of Massachusetts I cannot sell a firearm to anyone except a state resident (federal requirement), and only to those legally allowed to receive the gun. That means they must posses the appropriate license, either FID (firearms ID card) or LTC (license to carry). If they have the card, i.e., it has not been revoked, then they have indeed passed a background check.
The distortions of your guest are not helpful.
jv
It concerns me that the Pro-Violence lobby has the ear of congress and the fear of confiscation whipping up the ignorant and the right wing. Why is their right to threaten violence trumping my right to live in peace. The fact is this country has more guns than any other and more deaths by gun violence than any other nation on earth. Don't tell me there is no connection between the two.
very concerned about the labeling of "mentally disturbed"...just how many returning Veterans who have been diagnosed w/PTSD & TBI will be labeled as "mental" by the public and the governmental agencies making the labels.
VietNam Veterans know full well the view that many of the public held - that all Vets were disturbed and to be avoided.
Wouldn't it be easier to treat gun purchases & ownership in the same way that we treat automobile purchases?
Individuals would get a gun license after taking a test (with apropriate background checks being done then). That license is valid for so many years. After it expires, you would have to take the test again.
When purchasing a firearm from a business you would fill out the paperwork just like when you purchase a vehicle from a dealership. The same goes for when purchasing from an individual, fill out that appropriate private sale paperwork.
What about registration and insurance for each firearm?