Pros And Cons Of Renting A Home
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2013-01-15/pros-and-cons-renting-home
More Americans have been forced to rent instead of buy a home in recent years, but prices are rising as demand outstrips supply. Diane and her guests discuss the pros and cons of renting in today's economy.
Guests
David Crowe
chief economist and senior vice president at the National Association of Home Builders.
Dawn Wotapka
real estate reporter for The Wall Street Journal.
Chuck Wehrwein
chief operating officer of NeighborWorks America.

Comments
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Many of the themes from today's discussion on the new generation and our relationship to housing are relevant to my situation. I grew up and was educated in Michigan, but after earning a Master's degree in mathematics I moved out of the Midwest into another university town in Charlottesville, VA. I earn a reasonable living working several part-time jobs, but the world of teaching offers fewer and fewer full-time positions.
I recognize the potential in the market, as housing prices and mortgage rates remain low but my own rent is steadily increasing by 4 or 5% each year. Ultimately though the opportunity cost of staying put at a time in my life when I am not planted in a location seems to outweigh the monetary value buying may offer.
No talk about higher crime rates in predominately rental areas vs. primarily owned single family homes.
It is still the economy, there isn't a positive outlook, deficit spending, and 7.8 % unemployment. I own several rental homes but choose to rent to allow me more flexibility. When the mortgage and tax deductions are taken away, owning a home loses it's advantages. Until i see improvement in the economy, balanced budget efforts, reduced deficit spending, i will not be buying a home, rather will continue to increase my rental homes.
Rich
dallas, TX
Please comment on those of us who are reluctant landlords renting homes we cannot sell but who cannot purchase a home because we are held back by not being able to sell the home we already own due to the poor home selling market.
We rent the home we own because we cannot sell it, and we live in a home we rent because we cannot buy it.
My parents didn't have this problem. They built a new house in 1955 for $4000. It was paid off in 10 years at $80 per month. Boy, were we fooled when the "experts" were telling us about the importance of "growing the economy" (we're still falling for that one).
If, looking back over 60 years, this is what people still call "progresss", it seems that a little "regress" would be in order.
But not to worry! We can't maintain the current pace, so eventually we will start going "back to the future".
What am I saying?? We are already headed in that direction. Everyday I see college graduates walking between two or more part-time jobs.
And yet people say we need to "prepare for the future". They don't realize that the future is the march to the past.
With a growing population and the disappearance of jobs, there is no other choice.
After my sister lost her job and home in Las Vegas. She is now living in a rental house we own in Wilmington NC.
The fair market rent we could get for the two bedroom/two bath is $800. We rent to my sister for $400 and month - that's all my 65yo sister can afford on her modest Social Security and part-time job. We paid cash for the house last year and are fortunate we can afford to supplement her housing.
I can see the issue from both sides.
For may sister, affordable housing is often in undesirable neighborhoods. As a landlord I have expenses in maintaining an older home and hope to make some return on my investment.
Please address buses by mortgage servicers, which really have not been stopped by the attorney generals' settlement. Pleae also address broken chains of title caused by the mortgage securitization debacle. Real estate is not as sound as it used to be.
Please address abuses by mortgage servicers, which really have not been stopped by the attorney generals' settlement. Please also address broken chains of title caused by the mortgage securitization debacle. Real estate is not as sound as it used to be.
Your guest mentioned the "unprecedented" decline in home prices during the past few years. No one has mentioned that the rapid rise in home prices during the several years prior were totally UNPRECEDENTED. Consequently it seems all statistics as to the supposed future rise of home values AND therefore the length of time it takes to acquire any equity in the home are erroneous. Please comment.
Unless you are accustomed to living and accepting of others to live like ?, do NOT get into the rental business.
The last e-mail you read on the air was absolutely the wrong view of renting versus owning. Renting is NOT the only logical way to go. Renting is the right choice for some, but most people would benefit from owning if they did it properly. The problem we have gotten into is directly related to greed. The entire complex of government and the financial industry has dangled the carrot of owning the largest, most fancy home you can possible squeeze out of a monthly paycheck! The reality is, if you follow common sense rules on borrowing and saving, we would all be fine. A proper monthly mortgage/ payment is one fourth of ones total household income...always has been, always will be! It's not okay to buy more before you get that raise you THINK you will get! People MUST save money, a down payment keeps you above water in a down market. And most important?...It's NOT okay to continue getting a 30 year mortgage every time you buy a different home!...the proper goal is to have your primary home PAID OFF by the time you retire! Why would anyone want to be paying a mortgage/rent out of their retirement money? Insane! Most people live 20 years after retirement...do you really want to pay rent with no income and very low savings, as most people are in that situation?
Lets get real you never really own your own home. You pay the bank off but you are always on the hook for increase property taxes and homeowners insurance.
We purchased homes early in our marriage when home prices were rising. We got out of the market in 2007, much to the disappointment of family, until the crash made our decision look very wise. We rode out the crash in employer provided housing, similar to a rental situation. I preferred not owning and I wanted to consider renting for many years to come. However, when we left that employer and had to find our own housing, we found that we would have to pay significantly more to rent in the Houston suburbs for far smaller and run-down homes than we would pay for a mortgage. So we ended up buying again. It seems that the market is keeping eager-renters with good credit out of the rental market.
Jennifer
Houston, TX
I think it's dangerous to not do what you can to buy a house. Once a person is too old to work, they probably will not have the income needed to rent. If the house is paid off, it might be easier on retirement income to cover property taxes and utilities than to rent rent an apartment or house.
Please talk about the problem of renting itself. In Charlottesville, VA (a college town) rentals tend to come on the market in relation to school terms. As a renter, you must give 60 to 90 days notice of termination in order to move AND you must have not one, but two deposits (usually one months rent) because you aren't going to get your deposit back for 45 days. The cost of moving (deposits, moving vans, time, etc.) is tremendous and one that requires a cushion + good credit plays a part in whether you get the place. It ain't easy being a renter. I took advantage of a low interest loan and bought this past summer. My mortgage costs less than the rent I was paying. It is a consumptive decision, but one I am willing to make to be the master of my destiny.
This really comes down to individual's financial status. If you have enough money to buy a house then it won't make sense to rent. I am a home owner and strongly encourage each person to choose what's right for him/her.
Phillip
1960s
environmental concerns
urban sprawl
1980s
MacMansions
zero lot line houses-no land or yard
gas guzzling RVs
more urban sprawl
2010
Mega homes
zero lot line houses-no land or yard
gas guzzling cars
more urban sprawl
sustainability?
recycling of glass, aluminum, metals, paper, cardboard, packaging, plastic
frackwells Texas, Colorado, NY, Pennsylvania, Ohio
oil sands-Arkansas, KY, Indiana, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas
more pipelines
more carbon
more cars
houses that get torn down withing 20 years-new owner-no land for
garden, water conserving,
RENT what is the difference between a zero lot line megahome and a mid rise planned community rental or condo
And please--tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and drought within USA will destroy many homes, ranches, farming communities and rivers.-- absolutely no mystery there-
please include these problems in city planning for greenery, oxygen, sustainability, and future
Helen Bush
1960s
environmental concerns
urban sprawl
1980s
MacMansions
zero lot line houses-no land or yard
gas guzzling RVs
more urban sprawl
2010
Mega homes
zero lot line houses-no land or yard
gas guzzling cars
more urban sprawl
sustainability?
recycling of glass, aluminum, metals, paper, cardboard, packaging, plastic
frackwells Texas, Colorado, NY, Pennsylvania, Ohio
oil sands-Arkansas, KY, Indiana, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Kansas
more pipelines
more carbon
more cars
houses that get torn down withing 20 years-new owner-no land for
garden, water conserving,
RENT what is the difference between a zero lot line megahome and a mid rise planned community rental or condo
And please--tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and drought within USA will destroy many homes, ranches, farming communities and rivers.-- absolutely no mystery there-
please include these problems in city planning for greenery, oxygen, sustainability, and future
Helen Bush
I own a home, for years, but leaning on the side of going back to renting as no one has touched on "Property Taxes"?
This continually drives up your mortgage payments although you have a fixed rate mortgage, this is a key factor our of your control
Washington State has recognized that minimum wage has needed to increase - it is now over $9.00/hr here - other states need to follow suit.
I think that some things to take into consideration when buying a home are:
-The interest you pay on a 30 year fixed loan (or other loan). That interest is money out the window.
-Maintenance
-Home Owners Association
-Property Tax
Overall for myself renting is a better choice.
CCraigS wrote:
"The last email you read on the air .... as most poeple are in that situation?"
To quote David Byrne, "STOP MAKING SENSE"!
Nice post.
In the past decades the balance of power has steadily gone more in the landlord's favor at the expense of the renters. Today it is common practice to require deposits 6 months before the apartment is rented, prices have skyrocketed, and renters rules (conditions and limitations), which used to be reported on a single page, are frequently booklet size manuscripts. Where I live most of the workers in the city can't afford city rent and have to commute from 10-20 miles away where rents are not as steep. Something that 20 years ago would have seemed crazy. This is a common problem nationally. There no longer is a middle class, but only rich, working class, and poor, and renters are being bled for profit enjoyed by the few.
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John Doe wrote:
"In the past decades the balance of power has steadily gone more in the landlord's favor at the expense of the renters. Today it is common practice to require deposits 6 months before the apartment is rented, prices have skyrocketed, and renters rules (conditions and limitations), which used to be reported on a single page, are frequently booklet size manuscripts. Where I live most of the workers in the city can't afford city rent and have to commute from 10-20 miles away where rents are not as steep. Something that 20 years ago would have seemed crazy. This is a common problem nationally. There no longer is a middle class, but only rich, working class, and poor, and renters are being bled for profit enjoyed by the few."
As an owner of rental property, I call BS. First, maybe that's true "where you live" but to extrapolate to "This is a common problem nationally" is falacious. Six months rent in advance? I wish! I get first and last (security deposit) and a pet deposit if they have a pet. That's it. An applicant must pay for his background check - but it gets refunded to him if he becomes the renter. That's fair. As for the "booklet size" leases (I doubt it - the one I use is 7 pages legal size), renters have no one but themselves to blame. Property owners have to look out for their interests whether the tenant is the best ever or a scum who doesn't care about the property or the neighborhood. It's not the property owners who make things bad for the renter, it's other renters - the scum. Go own some rental property for a few years, then see if your opinion changes.
I feel the program did not address the aging issue adequately as it relates to home ownership. For folks in their late 40’s early 50’s there is still time to get into a 15 year mortgage so that their house will be paid off by the time they retire. The reality is as another commenter here mentioned is that if rent continues to go up for the next ten years, many retirees will not only have to pay rent from their retirement but importantly it may not be at all feasible. In other word they may not be able to afford the rent and could find themselves in dire financial straits and with possibly no place to live at all. We live in Northern VA where rent prices are going through the roof. If one is paying $3000 rent for a one bedroom today is there anyone who can predict what the rent will be, 10-15 years from now?
Given the experience of the three guests, I would have expected a more interesting and informative discussion. Instead I felt like I was listening to a repetition of the same common points.
To wit: Some people are better off renting, some are better off buying. If you buy, there are risks and rewards. This can be a good time to buy and a good time to rent. It's harder to get mortgage loans now because the banks are "skittish." If you rent, things like broken dishwashers are the landlord's problem, not yours. If you buy, you can build up equity, so it's like an investment. If you rent, it's easier to move. People can "make it work" either way. People should be "careful." There isn't one right way for all people; it's a personal decision. Renting is not the "stigma" today that it used to be. In some parts of the country, rents and home prices are cheap, and in other parts they are expensive. If you rent or buy far from where you work, the money you save may be at least partly offset by the additional transportation expenses. And so on.
I wonder what the discussion would have been like if Diane were hosting. Did anyone learn anything new, or am I just being a grouch because Diane wasn't there? :-)
Steve Roberts said the best thing which Dawn completely disputed when he said he had been told to stretch himself to buy his first home.
I believe she said it's more important to be able to go shopping.
Look, there are excellent reasons for renting vs. buying. The ability to go shopping is not one of them.
If you are not buying a house, then you need to be investing in some other long term asset and not in short term spending or otherwise you're going to have a long poor retirement. The reason a house has been and will continue to be a long term wealth builder is that most people don't and won't save the way they should. That house may or may not go up in value but as long as you're making the payment, you are building equity. Yes, you'll have to pay prop taxes & ins after you've paid it off, but do you really think rents in 20 years won't reflect those same taxes & ins?
So rent but then stretch yourself to save 25, 35 or 50% of your income because you'll need it more than a new pair of shoes or a new phone.