Dr. Robert Lustig: "Fat Chance: Beating The Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease"

Dr. Robert Lustig: "Fat Chance: Beating The Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease"

Nearly three million viewers have seen Dr. Robert Lustig's YouTube video "Sugar: The Bitter Truth." In a new book, he documents the science and politics behind the obesity pandemic and calls for an overhaul of the global food system.

Recently published research suggests that obese people have a lower risk of death compared to people with normal weight. But this is not news to pediatric endocrinologist, Robert Lustig. He says fat doesn’t matter. What does matter, he argues, is metabolic function. For the past 16 years, he’s been treating childhood obesity and studying the effects of sugar on the central nervous system. In a new book he details the science and politics behind the dramatic increase in our consumption of sugar and explains why this shift is so detrimental to our health. Please join us to talk with Dr. Robert Lustig about obesity and disease.

Guests

Dr. Robert Lustig

director of University of California, San Fransisco Weight Assessment for Teen and Child Health Program.

"Sugar: The Bitter Truth"

Dr. Robert Lustig breaks down what sugar does to the body.

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This article has been adapted by arrangement with Hudson Street Press, a member of Penguin Group (USA)
Inc., from "Fat Chance" by Robert Lustig M.D. Copyright 2012 by Robert Lustig M.D.

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While Dr Lustig's theories and evidence may seem convincing to the general public and reporters, the real test is how well he performs with his fellow scientists!

He was certainly called out for overstating the evidence and poorly extrapolating rat research at a conference he spoke at earlier in the year - check out the Q and A video in the attached article by David Despain (as well as the other lectures)!

http://evolvinghealthscience.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/sugar-showdown-scie... for a full review and links to all lectures - if not just watch the Q and A at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypWe6npULUQ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGhfX2yaU4

What research shows that it is fructose that causes addiction? At the Q and A at the Sugar Symposium, Dr Lustig was called out on this and one researcher showed that rats liked glucose based carbohydrates over sucrose, and another questioned the applicability of rat research to be extrapolated to humans!

Also a recent rat studied suggests that it might be the sweet taste and NOT the fructose (as they used an artificial sweetener) although the article title gets it wrong also!
http://www.health.msn.co.nz/healthnews/8582942/sugar-as-addictive-as-coc...

The major issue with Dr Lustig's theory is looking at US Sugar intake over history - levels were still high in the early 20th century - so saying it is sugar is either an oversimplification or there is a threshold value that we have recently crossed. Methinks that it is a perfect storm of more sugar and less burning it up with physical activity!

http://davidgillespiesbigfatlies.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sugar-in...

I hope you get a chance to review these before the interview - especially the video lectures linked to within the article by David Despain

December 30, 2012 - 9:30 am

I watched the Bitter Truth and the 7-part University of California videos over Christmas break and it was, frankly, terrifying, after all the sweets and alcohol I consumed over the holidays. Time to get back on the wagon and be more mindful of the sweets.

There was a very brief bit in one video where Doctor Lustig hints at benefits of red wine, but there is a real problem with beer (and, I assume, spirits and cocktails with the higher ethanol content). I'd like him to clarify that. I'll switch to red wine if it's better, but I'd like explanation behind it.

Is there an endocrinologic benefit to red wine? Or should I just eliminate all alcohol?

Thanks,

Jim

December 31, 2012 - 1:18 pm
January 3, 2013 - 3:22 pm

So glad this show happened to be on while I was on the road this week as I learned many things I should have already known. Sugar in my nonfat yogurt got my attention but the succinct explanation of the role of the liver in processing fructose was life changing. I would like Dr. Lustig to address the message post-menopausal women receive, which is, "forget about it, the waist is going to expand". If what he says is true about waist to hip ratio, we are in a no-win situation. Especially if, like me, we are genetically pre-disposed to carry our weight there.

Listening to this show took me back to an event 35 years ago when a high school history teacher decided to switch gears one day and lecture on the evils of sugar and a book called "Pure White Deadly". I was surprised and pleased to hear it mentioned in Dr. Lustig's video on your site. At that time I started reading labels and stopped eating sugar for a long time. I never fully re-gained the bad habits but this show definitely brought the issue front and center once again.

Dr. Lustig has upped the ante and I intend to spread the word. Thank you for this show Diane Rehm!

January 9, 2013 - 9:39 am

Thank you for covering this important subject. I'm already changing the way that I think about my diet and my children's diets. I was surprised by Dr. Lustig's disdainful reaction to the comments by the dietitian who called and I empathized with her. She was expressing exactly what I thought was true about calories and health. Before this show, she expressed what I thought was the best advice available about diet; simply watch your calorie intake and you will be ok. Dr. Lustig's research takes this conventional wisdom to a new level; Not only watch your calories, but which calories to intake.

He should have thanked the dietitian who called in because she spoke for many of us and Dr. Lustig's reprimand was not only for her but for all of us. This report would not have "hit home" without her call.

Thank you again for a great show.

January 9, 2013 - 1:24 pm

I have to agree with Camilyn, regarding Dr. Lustig's angry response to the last caller, the registered dietician. I can just imagine the always civil Diane cringing! :-)

I don't think the dietician was saying what Dr. Lustig accused her of saying. She was making a brief, generalized statement about "magic bullets" that was taken out of context. If she had had more time to speak, I'm sure she would have acknowledged that almonds (to use Dr. Lustig's example) are healthier to eat than a donut. For Dr. Lustig to say that she is "part of the problem" was inexcusably rude, not only to her as an individual but to the registered dietician profession as a whole. Dr. Lustig talked as if there are many registered dieticians pushing a high-sugar, high-refined-carbohydrate diet, which is not the case at all. It's the processed food industry that is pushing that type of diet, for the sake of corporate profits. I just love it when I see a TV commercial claiming that a high-sugar cereal is an important part of a nutritious breakfast for a growing child. You gotta love American capitalism! :-)

January 9, 2013 - 3:04 pm

Jimc, there has been so much talk about red wine. I got tired of it years ago. Maybe it offers some health benefit, maybe it doesn't. The best suggestion I heard from one doctor (I can't remember which one) was this: If you genuinely enjoy drinking red wine, by all means, drink red wine. If you don't enjoy drinking red wine, don't force yourself to drink it just because it might offer some health benefit, because the evidence for any benefit is not strong enough to justify drinking something you don't enjoy. One thing's for certain: Red wine is not some kind of magic bullet.

You asked about the "explanation" for the health benefit of red wine. Many of the claims stem from the antioxidant resveratrol, which is naturally present in wines (and other foods) in small amounts. Studies are being conducted on resveratrol, and it's not yet been determined what the benefits are to humans and what amounts are needed to obtain those benefits. Even if it turns out that resveratrol has some benefit, that doesn't necessarily mean that drinking a glass or two of red wine would be the best way to obtain a benefit. Remember all the hype about Vitamin C preventing colds? It was all bunk. We keep hoping for that magic bullet, that magic pill, or, in the case of wine, that magic glass. :-)

January 9, 2013 - 3:27 pm

I felt confused about Dr. Lustig's vehement remarks about American-style Greek yogurt. The fact is, Americans have a wide variety of unsweetened Greek yogurt to choose from. I see it in all the mainstream food markets. It doesn't make sense for Dr. Lustig to make such a sweeping statement about the inferiority of "American" Greek yogurt, as if you can only get the kind loaded with sugar.

Chill out a little, doc, and work a little on your bedside manner! :-)

Otherwise, most Americans have known for decades that too much sugar and refined carbs, along with too little physical activity, is not healthy. The real issue is this: What is it about American culture that encourages so many people to eat too much sugar and refined carbs and not to engage in adequate amounts of physical activity? Another nutrition book telling us what we already know is not going to change the unhealthy parts of our culture.

January 9, 2013 - 3:42 pm

The best documentary I ever watched , two actually, are Forks Over Knives, and Vegucated....
There's FAR more to consider when opting for healthy nutrition than only what is in the best interest of humans.
According to those whose voices seem vacant from public discourse, such as Charolette Gerson, Dr. Neal Barnard, Dr. Michael Greger, and many others who write perscriptions to reverse obesity and ALL the diseases associated with it, the vibrant colors in plant foods provide our cells with high phytochemicals, fiber, micronutrients, and we loose weight besides.
Yogurt is a by product of cow mik, loaded with pus cells, NATURAL hormones, casein, an indigestible protein that invades the pancrease and results in problems with insulin production, the real cause of skyrocketing diabetes ( now rising in "developing" countries where dairy is promoted).
Fascinating that just when we are seeing a much needed focus on fresh fruits, veggies, and more plant foods, a doctor like this tells us not to worry too much about obesity. The media deck, I fear, is stacked towards food industries, drug makers, and medical people who make their living from disease, commonly called, "health care."

January 10, 2013 - 10:22 pm

Laura Beth, I'm curious about the link you mention between dairy consumption and diabetes. If that were the case, wouldn't you expect a higher rate of diabetes in countries with higher per capita dairy consumption? The US ranks 16th in per capita dairy consumption. The top consumers of dairy are Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland. Are the rates of diabetes (or other health problems) higher in these countries than in the US?

Thanks!

January 11, 2013 - 3:42 am

This is the first time I've registered to comment on a site. I did so just to express my sympathy for the dietician who called in and was so rudely treated by Dr. Lustig. I'm heartened to see that others found his reaction as offensive as I. Up until that call, I was quite intrigued with and persuaded by Dr. Lustig's message. His failure thoughtfully to listen to the earnest caller and at a minimum, treat her courteously, suggests that he's a defensive bully and calls into question his credibility. Diane, I hope you did something to help that poor women feels better about her public embarrassment by your guest.

January 11, 2013 - 6:11 pm

Thank you and Camilyn for your comments. I was appalled by Dr. Lustig's response to the dietician. I'm now much less interested in reading his book.

January 11, 2013 - 9:58 pm

I hope most listeners will not dismiss Dr. Lustig's insights simply because of his sharp response to the last caller.

I have heard him explain this previously on the People's Pharmacy program and was braced for his response, because she clearly had not understood what he was trying to get across. He has a fundamental disagreement with much of the mainstream dietary community over the "calories in, calories out" issue. He may have been frustrated to realize that he was almost at the end of the show but hadn't managed to make his point clearly.

The fact is, there is not scientific consensus on this issue. I happen to think Lustig is closer to a useful understanding of how it works than the establishment, but it is still being hotly debated.

A supporting source is Gary Taubes book "Good Calories, Bad Calories: Fats, Carbs, and the Controversial Science of Diet and Health"

January 12, 2013 - 4:15 pm

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January 14, 2013 - 3:20 pm

John, Good comment. I too hope listeners will keep an open mind regarding what Dr. Lustig has to say. Gary Taubes has another book that covers the topic and reviews science behind current mainstream dietary recommendations: "Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It". Thanks to this book, I lost 22 lb (without ever feeling hungry) in 3 months, when I thought it would not be possible for me. Now I eat better than ever. It will take a long time to reverse the dietary dogmas that are so entrenched that even scientist and doctors have a hard time accepting anything different. I learned the hard way that the low-fat diet and "calories in and out" will take you nowhere in the long run.

January 14, 2013 - 3:19 pm

http://healthhubs.net/diabetes/which-countries-have-the-highest-rates-of... Here is a link to an interesting story as relates to milk and diabetes. Note in particular the rate in Iceland and the reasoning that milk is involved

February 6, 2013 - 5:57 pm

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