Friday News Roundup - Domestic
New polls showed President Barack Obama ahead in several key swing states with just six weeks to go until the election. Mixed economic news this week with reports showing higher consumer confidence but weaker GDP growth. And the NFL reached a tentative agreement with its referee union. Chris Cillizza of The Washington Post, Lisa Lerer of Bloomberg News and Michael Hirsh of National Journal join guest host Susan Page for analysis of the week's top national news stories.
Guests
author of The Fix, a Washington Post politics blog, managing editor of PostPolitics.com and author of a new book, "The Gospel According to The Fix."
politics reporter for Bloomberg News.
chief correspondent at National Journal magazine and author of "At War with Ourselves: Why America Is Squandering its Chance to Build a Better World."
Friday News Roundup Video
With the first presidential debate scheduled for Oct. 3, 2012, our panel discussed how significant the event could be in shaping the election outcome. "It's very important because you've got so many eyeballs on it," The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza said. Lisa Lerer of Bloomberg News said the debates could move the opinions of Mitt Romney's donors and fellow Republican politicians. Michael Hirsh, chief correspondent of National Journal, added that Romney "really needs a knockout punch" to emerge from the debates.

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The final caller said that he Mitt Romney was right in that some people have an "entitlement mentality," and that he had a personal problem people "not wanting to work a job that is beneath them." That may be so, but is that any different than people who say that they are "too proud to consider/go on welfare?" You wouldn't sell you automobile, house, or other valuable possessions for less than THEY are worth, so why would anyone be expected to sell their labor for less than IT'S worth? People just want fair pay for fair work...call it an "entitlement" if you wish.
http://beyond-the-political-spectrum.blogspot.com/
I wish the press would stop using the word "gaffe" to describe a politician just revealing what they truly believe. A gaffe is misspeaking, a mistake.
Polls should not even be a part of the electoral environment whether they're accurate or not. As was said, they are not scientific.
There are enough problems facing this country (under-achieving schools, homelessness) without wasting time talking about NFL referees. Let's fix the really important problems first, then worry about over-valued, under-whelming entertainment.
Beyond The Poli... wrote:
That may be so, but is that any different than people who say that they are "too proud to consider/go on welfare?"
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Yes, it most definitely is. Those people are not expecting to live off the largess of the government.
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Beyond The Poli... wrote:
"You wouldn't sell you automobile, house, or other valuable possessions for less than THEY are worth, so why would anyone be expected to sell their labor for less than IT'S worth? People just want fair pay for fair work...call it an "entitlement" if you wish."
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Where have you been? People sell homes and cars for less than what "they" consider it to be worth every day. These people you speak of figure they can stretch out taking money from the government for as long as it is offered rather than get another job.
GOOD ARTICLE!
"The case for re-electing President Barack Obama rests on five arguments, the most important of which is that Romney/Ryan represent sexism, racism, homophobia and fascism"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/06/the_five_reasons_to...
44slks44 wrote:
"There are enough problems facing this country (under-achieving schools, homelessness) without wasting time talking about NFL referees. Let's fix the really important problems first, then worry about over-valued, under-whelming entertainment."
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Neither of those issues are the responsibilty of the federal government.
Actually, the NFL replacement referees is the election in microcosm. Part time NFL employees want a pension in this economy when full time NFL employees do not have one. In the current culture where everyone gets a trophy and everyone is a winner, the NFL figured even those unqualified to referee a high school game could easily referee an NFL game. The NFL PR folks then borrowed from DNC harpy Debbie Wasserman Shultz and proceeded to defend the replacement refs MNF call when the video actually shows that there was no simultaneous catch. (see DWS story: http://www.mediaite.com/online/wasserman-schultz-caught-lying-about-isra...)
part-insane politics wrote: "The "affordable care act" (choke) takes $716 billion from medicare to pay for Obamacare..."
Gee. You mean the identical $716 billion that Ryan's budget takes. Moreover, ACA assists Medicaid - substantial numbers of the elderly depend on Medicaid. Annually Medicare ranks as THE most efficient health plan (NAIIA & OMB stats) - far better delivering care and containing actual costs than ANY private insurer. Medicare Advantage (from which the bulk of that 716B is taken) has proven NOT to be cost-effective i.e. no pay for plans that do not deliver.
Those currently on Medicare can rightly tell you actual premiums have DEcreased from prior years and benefits have INcreased, especially in MediGap plans - free market competition has been improved. The number of uninsured actually went down (first time ever); the rate of increase slowed to 4% rather than typical 8-10% rises.
You wrote: "...doctors and hospitals make up for the short comings of medicare by over charging private insurance plans, ironically the same ones that would be put out of business by Obamacare."
There is nothing to substantiate that claim. Conversely, private insurers are currently returning premiums to employers/solo-payers since they failed to provide required ACA ratio of care-to-premiums. Providers and private insurers who have overcharged especially for Medicare-Caid patients SHOULD be penalized. MOST cost-shifting by providers is from the uninsured to the insured, NOT from Medicare to non-Medicare patients - anyone familiar with hospitals can attest to that. Informed people know that large insurers and provider networks are gobbling up doctors and private practices in order to dictate methods and profits. Docs go out of business because they cannot compete with the corporate conglomerates.
Stokem wrote:
"I believe that the American people are exhausted from the obstructionist, non-inclusive views of the Republican party. Maybe the polls show more Democratic leaning because the electorate has evolved. The "big tent" does not exist within the Republican party."
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What? It is the intolerant liberals who deride any women and minority who dares join the Republican Party.
To the gentleman / ex-military career person whose call was taken just before the end of the Domestic Hour:
Your comment consisted of criticism of certain people you know (or know of) who keep collecting unemployment insurance because "the media has told them that" the jobs they could get are "beneath them." You went on to say that you thought Romney was right in criticizing folks like this because they thought they were "entitled" to such help, etc.
You were clearly upset and resentful of such people, but I have one question for you: How long do you estimate you'll be receiving your military pension, which I assume both you and your wife have been collecting ever since you each "retired" from military service? Even though you are young enough to have years ago launched a second, private-sector career, you still likely expect to collect a pension from us taxpayers for, what? 40-50 years total? (Military retirees can collect a full pension starting as early as age 37 -- and they are paid this for the rest of their lives.)
In light of this enormously generous benefit YOU collect from the federal government, how DARE you criticize and carp against "lazy" people without jobs who are using their unemployment insurance to feed themselves and pay their bills?! All while YOU collect a monthly paycheck from us taxpayers that you don't even need?!
In other words, just because you served 20 years in the military doesn't give your sucking at the federal teat any more "shine" or "privilege" than anyone else's.
And maybe -- in our quest to reduce the deficit (which I'm also pretty sure you find a priority) -- we'll start cutting the outrageously generous retirement benefits folks like you enjoy. Let's see what you call in to howl about then.
Actually you've alluded to one of the central problems we face: the meaning of words! We are living, in my view, in an Orwellian moment in terms of word usage because words are being used as slogans without definition but as tribal flags waved by the faithful. "Socialism" for example is a word with a real meaning that is not hard to locate in a dictionary yet the right uses it as if it meant any gov't program that benefits, in some way, the non-rich. Now it's fine to debate whether or not the gov't should or should not fund such programs bu the Republicans don't make any points on their own behalf they just wave the tribal flag and the faithful follow. The left (what there is of it) also has some tribal flags but they tend to wave them less often but their thinking is often no different than the right.
I was enjoying your show until you handle the call from the gentleman from Matthews Virginia. He and his wife had served in the military for 20 years and clearly had put their lives on the line for our country. They are now working and yet, his concern that the president is saying to him, you are not giving your rightful share to taxes when 47% of Americans are not paying any income tax is a horrible form of bias. You immediately diverted his issue and jumped to a dialogue about the NFL refs. Shame on you. We needed to hear your others commentators and their response. I have lost confidence in both political parties. Our politicians (congress) have destroyed our experiment in democracy by using a massive amount of our taxes to buy votes in areas where we clearly not afford. Bush's policy along with congress were very destructive but Obama's policies are even worse. We need informed debate on a new vision for our country and NR needs to play a neutral means for it to happen.
Reply to Linda Roberts who wrote “Please discuss the President's statement that he will end the war(s) and use that money to lower the deficit. How can he do that when the money to fund the war has been borrowed? Also, G. Soros's $500,000 donation to Dem PAC's. And, Howard Fineman's article in HuffPost admitting that the President hasn't been questioned as closely as has Romney. Thank you!”
President Obama put the wars back into the official budget so they could have some accountability and will be included in the overall defense-spending budget cut. Bush hid the war cost from the American people by using emergency spending bills to help shield criticism. In other words, Bush put the wars on a credit card not Obama. As far as the media goes, we can say that Bush was never challenged on the lies leading to the war, torture, illegal wiretapping, the firing of attorneys in the DOJ, Valerie Plame the list goes on. From day one, Obama has been demeaned and roasted by the media particularly Fox News and the Republicans. He has had no help on getting the economy back in the right direction. I think Obama’s record can speak for itself; Romney’s record is still a mystery. BTW, I disagree with Howard Obama has had the scrutiny as Romney from the media.
Do you have a problem with Soros giving $500K to a super-pac (he’s mostly sat out this election) but not Aldeson who has given 78 million so far or the Koch’s who pledged a 100million
In reply to "partisan politics" I have to say that you are spot on about the military-industrial complex and the Democratic Party. But you are wrong about "every major conflict." The Philipine-American war, the Iraq and Afghan War and the covert wars in Central America (which were serious conflicts) were started and carried out largely by Republican administrations. But your general point is well-taken. As for "small government" I take it to mean that if people are starving or hit with a natural disaster they should just do for themselves and, at the same, time we should maintain a huge and expanding military establishment to make the world safe for corporations, the dollar, and military contractors--that's essentially the Republican position. No funding for research, no investment in infrastructure or education even though these should be classified as investments since they always bring a very tangible return. To me the Republican position is irrational and destructive to the country. I'm a pragmatists and the Republicans will never get the vote of people like me (and I don't like the Democrats either) unless they stop being completely ideological--show me facts and proof not illusions and flag-waving.
And I was upset that they moved on as well, but for a very different reason.
That last caller was a RETIRED military person young enough to have started a second career in the private sector years ago.
He complains about folks feeling "entitled" to 99 weeks of unemployment insurance -- but he's more than willing to have us pay for his military pension for 40-5o years?!?
That's not just blind; it's mean.
Just how does evasive, unaccountable, and sworn to secrecy, Willard Mitt Romney propose to put back to work the 47% of entitled parasitic Americans feeding off the government system? Since he refuses to elaborate on any of his solutions, all we voters can do is guess. Will it be with individual state house bills like the Utah house bill HB148 passed by the legislature earlier this year and signed by Governor Gary R. Herbert to recover 20 million acres of Federal land? Will it also include the proposed anti-union California Proposition 32 (which recently received a $4 million contribution from the billionarie Koch Brothers of Koch Industries, the second largest privately owned company in the United States, and backed by the California Future Fund for Free Markets, and The American Future Fund, along with the Center to Protect Patient Rights)? What about the Utah Mine Safety Commission founded to replace the Federal Mine and Safety Commission of the United States? Also Utah HB477 an attempt to destroy government transparency? If so, I cannot say the American public will be too thrilled about our country being taken back to the era of the lawlessness and exploitation of the industrial revolution, which provided very dangerous high risk, overworked employment with excessively long hours, and under paid jobs, ladened with occupational hazards.
Christopher Stahnke wrote:
"Actually you've alluded to one of the central problems we face: the meaning of words! We are living, in my view, in an Orwellian moment in terms of word usage because words are being used as slogans without definition but as tribal flags waved by the faithful. "Socialism" for example is a word with a real meaning that is not hard to locate in a dictionary yet the right uses it as if it meant any gov't program that benefits, in some way, the non-rich. Now it's fine to debate whether or not the gov't should or should not fund such programs bu the Republicans don't make any points on their own behalf they just wave the tribal flag and the faithful follow. The left (what there is of it) also has some tribal flags but they tend to wave them less often but their thinking is often no different than the right."
Actually you've alluded to one of the central problems we face: the meaning of words! We are living, in my view, in an Orwellian moment in terms of word usage because words are being used as slogans without definition but as tribal flags waved by the faithful. "Racism" for example is a word with a real meaning that is not hard to locate in a dictionary yet the left uses it against anyone who is opposed to the President's policies, or, frankly, against anything the left endorses. Now it's fine to debate whether or not the President has done a good job, but the Democrats don't make any points on their own behalf they just wave the tribal flag and the faithful follow.
Chris Cillizza is insulted when there are claims of liberal media bias? Wow! Did he not even listen to his own comments and those of the other guests on this show?
The election isn't rigged, but according to White House advisor David Axelrod, the polls are rigged.
"Internal emails between senior officials at The Gallup Organization, obtained by The Daily Caller, show senior Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod attempting to subtly intimidate the respected polling firm when its numbers were unfavorable to the president.
After Gallup declined to change its polling methodology, Obama’s Department of Justice hit it with an unrelated lawsuit that appears damning on its face."
Christopher Stahnke wrote:"In reply to "partisan politics" I have to say that you are spot on about the military-industrial complex and the Democratic Party. But you are wrong about "every major conflict." The Philipine-American war, the Iraq and Afghan War and the covert wars in Central America (which were serious conflicts) were started and carried out largely by Republican administrations"
I clearly said 20th century and MAJOR conflicts, which includes WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam.
"Every major conflict of the 20th century had democrats in control of government at the time"
HonestAbe wrote:" Gee. You mean the identical $716 billion that Ryan's budget takes"
Wrong! it puts the money in the medicare trust fund, so it is not taken out of medicare, huge difference.
"Ryan’s Medicare cuts were solely used to extend the solvency of the Medicare trust fund, and not to fund new spending elsewhere. By contrast, Obamacare cut $716 billion from Medicare in order to fund $1.9 trillion in new health care spending, through the law’s expansion of Medicaid and its new subsidized exchanges."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/16/fact-checking-the-obama-camp...
HonestAbe wrote: "You wrote: "...doctors and hospitals make up for the short comings of medicare by over charging private insurance plans, ironically the same ones that would be put out of business by Obamacare."
There is nothing to substantiate that claim"
these
http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0612/0612.costshift.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/maryland-hospitals...
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/30/7/1265
Why don't you do a little checking before repeating MSNBC garbage
@Teece Bowman: You and Pres. Obama like traveling down the same road? His first big screw up was telling republicans that they were going to have to go to the back of the bus. He then, using executive order expects them to follow him merrily wherever he drives??? I think not. He insults 53% of the nation and then spends the rest of his term power whining about the lack of cooperation from those same Republicans he belittles and insults? Your 1st screw up is showing your racial bias by using the term "two rich white guys". Pres. Obama has driven the nation into the ditch financially, morally and ethically. My friend, choose carefully the roads you travel on, who you travel with, and choose your comments more carefully too. Peace, out.
Here's a great article from Michael Tomasky that everyone should read:
The GOP's Self Delusion Syndrome
With Obama’s lead in several swing states becoming insurmountable, the right has begun to panic—by denying reality altogether.
What a fantastic last two weeks these have been. I don’t even mean Barack Obama solidifying his lead over Mitt Romney, although that’s perfectly fine. No, I mean the near-mathematically perfect joy of watching these smug and contemptible creatures of the right dodge and swerve and make excuses and, most of all, whine. There is no joy in the kingdom of man so great as the joy of seeing bullies and hucksters laid low, and watching people who have arrogantly spent years assuming they were right about the world living to see all those haughty assumptions die before their eyes. Watching them squirm is more fun than watching Romney and Paul Ryan flail away.
I loved the initial reaction to the famous videotape. Problem? Are you kidding? This is just what we’ve been waiting for! This will help Romney, it was said; finally, we have Mitt unchained, Mitt raw, Mitt the truth-teller. Now he can just charge out there and do more of this, and in no time the nation will be putty in our hands! And just you wait for the next polls! (cont.)
Well, the polls have started to come, and they portend total disaster. Americans don’t turn out to like a heartlessly cruel Social Darwinian articulation of the national condition that by the by calls half the population worthless. Huh. Go figure.
But is this a problem? Of course not! There is an explanation for this too: The polls are wrong! All of them. Except of course Rasmussen, that rock of right-minded methodological certitude jutting out from the ocean of relativist corruption. I’d like a nickel but would settle happily for a penny for every tweet I’ve seen in the last couple of weeks from a conservative braying about a given poll’s sample.
There are loads of them but the gold medalist of this event by far is Dick Morris, who sits there on the Fox set like a betumored walrus on an ice floe assuring his viewers not to worry. His riff to Sean Hannity Monday night, a night when everyone else saw that Obama’s lead was getting comfortable-to-the-point-of-insurmountable, is worth quoting at some length: “[Romney] is at the moment in a very strong position. I believe if the election were held today Romney would win by four or five points. I believe he would carry Florida, Ohio, Virginia. I believe he would carry Nevada. I believe he would carry Pennsylvania.” Even Hannity at this point interjected, “Oh, come on.” But on Morris went. He knew of a private poll in Pennsylvania, “by a group that I’ve hired in the past,” that had Romney two points behind.
“People need to understand,” he continued, “that the polling this year is the worst it’s ever been. Because this is the first election where if I tell you who’s gonna vote, I can tell you how you’re gonna vote.” He went on to say that polls are assuming a six- or seven-point Democratic edge, and he assumes a three-point edge.
First of all, what was the Democratic edge in 2008? Uh, seven points. Second, while he is correct that the polls are showing strong Democratic advantages, they’re doing so because that’s how people are identifying themselves to pollsters. In fact, Stan Greenberg noted last Friday, Republicans lost five points in voter identification in a month. This is not bad poll sampling. It’s reality. And while it’s true that today’s numbers might overstate what will be the case on Nov. 6, the way things are going, they just might be understating them.
But no—now, the mere fact of poll-taking is “a subtle means of Republican voter suppression,” as Simon Maloy put it over at Media Matters. And the latest whine—this cupboard somehow never runs bare—is that conservatives don’t like taking polls. So said Scott Walker to Fox on Wednesday. Yes, of course! Because conservatives are people of action, busy people, who have neither the time (like the indolent 47 percenters) nor the inclination to accept phone calls from lamestream media pollsters. Honestly. Scott Walker can’t really believe this.
And finally, the last refuge of these scoundrels, bashing the librul media. Did you catch Rush Limbaugh’s pathetic rant on Tuesday after the famous blown interception call? Packer fans should just shake it off, he said, because the true aggrieved party is conservatives: “We’re lied about every day. The media gets it wrong on purpose against us every day. Now, I think it’s a good analogy.”
It’s a ridiculous analogy, and it’s not lies with which Limbaugh and Morris and their ilk are now coming face-to-face. It’s the truth. Americans like Barack Obama. They don’t like Mitt Romney. They really don’t like Paul Ryan. And they don’t want any part of the ideology of callousness and make-believe facts and pigheaded warmongering—and economic crisis and big deficits and all of that—that the Republicans are peddling. Of course these people will never come to terms with all that. But right now, boys, you’re running out of targets, and excuses
@Jim Gamble
Are you really Debbie Wasserman Shultz?
Poll all you want, and toot your horn till them cows come home! Just don't put any money on the polls coming true, as you're likely to find yourself a little short on election day! There isn't a single source of unbiased reporting going on in this Country; broadcast, newspaper, etc. I see this as an interesting novel that's about to reach it's climax, and there's simply no way to call it right now! Dems and Republicans are already in their respective corners. I just wonder who these supposed "undecideds" are at this point in the game? How could you be so uninformed about what has happened over the past 4 years that you could still be swayed one way or another? I guess these campaign stops are for the idiots with their heads buried in the sand! And isn't it a shame that the future direction of our Country is in their hands?
@Jim Gamble: Still bloviating at gale force I see.... Yawwwwwnnnnn.....
fillybuster and climawhiz:
If that's all ya got, why even post? Irresistable urge to obey your brainwashing? I thought so. You really should get that treated or it could get infected.
Part-insane politics:
Sorry to let you in on the deep dark secret......there IS NO "Medicare trust fund".....never has been. In fact the bipartisan congressional commission that routinely scores these programs indicated that Obama's method ADDs four years to the longevity if Medicare while Ryan's shrinks it.
How about using the results that both sides of the aisle use in scoring instead of a right wing rag like Forbes. Next time I will give you links to Bob Scheer's Truthdig site since you just want one-sided stuff.