Friday News Roundup - Domestic
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2012-09-14/friday-news-roundup-domestic
The Federal Reserve announced a new, open-ended round of bond buying to stimulate economic growth. President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney sparred over the Obama administration's handling of the attacks in Libya and Egypt. And vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan returned to the House to vote on a six-month, stopgap spending bill to keep the government operating. Jonathan Allen of Politico, Jackie Calmes of The New York Times and Michael Scherer of TIME magazine join Diane for analysis of the week's top national news stories.
Guests
Jonathan Allen
congressional reporter for Politico.
Jackie Calmes
national correspondent for The New York Times.
Michael Scherer
White House correspondent for Time magazine.
Friday News Roundup Video
The panel discussed the significance of the Federal Reserve's announcement Thursday of a new open-ended mortgage bond-buying program. Time magazine's Michael Scherer said the action represents a huge shift for the Fed. "They're basically saying we're going to go as far as we need to go to make sure the economy recovers," Scherer said. Jackie Calmes, national correspondent for The New York Times, said it's important to note the Fed didn't mark an end to the program. Jonathan Allen, congressional reporter for Politico, said the program won't affect the unemployment rate.
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Intelligent Muslims understand that the Powerful mobilize the desperate and ignorant for their own purposes. Maybe the self-destructive embassy attackers are their version of T-Party guntoters, just a feeding frenzy of "lone wolves"
Resentment at commercially driven cultural hegemony (Big Western Media) may play a role too. I'd be angered by having words put in my mouth too.
Think, do you as a "free American" help set the political agenda or fashion public discourse? Not really.
Anyway, this ain't about no video! That's what They'd like you (and them) to believe.
The French destroyed Algeria trying to keep it (Battle for Algeria). That's a better film, and a better explanation.
Protesting isn't the problem - violence is. If the masses in these countries HATE the US to the degree that your guests imply, perhaps they would do better without the billions in support we provide. They have a responibility too to show discontent in a way that doesn't endanger lives - Americans or they're own. That's not an American priciple - that's common sense.
What is needed is a "million man" type march on Washington DC which is organized and led by Muslim Americans to protest both the YouTube trailer and the killings in Libya. Covered heavily by Al Jazeera, this would show the Arab world that Americans embrace free speech and yet (on the majority) do not support the sentiments of the obscure film and it's makers.
Romney has little experience and zero credibility when it comes to foreign affairs. After all, he said Russia is without question our number one geopolitical foe.
The dinosaurs became extinct over 60 million years ago. Since then, many other species have become extinct. They failed to survive because their innate natural characteristics were not appropriate for new environments.
We can only hope that eventually ignorant haters and warmongers will also be de-selected by nature.
All this talk of "You can't yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre" is pure silliness. OF COURSE YOU CAN. As long as the theatre is on fire.
There are no messages that do not qualify as "free speech" provided the speaker in good faith believes the message to be true.
And this talk of the video being poor production quality is also absurd.
Are we to be told that the government may censor any message that it does not like the design or delivery of?
Please. This sort of wacko-talk is that makes some think this show is slanted liberal.
It would not be a surprise to me if Karl Rove the T-Party,and the Koch Bros.,are responsible for the production of this inflammatory film.
It smells like another "Swift Boat" attack.
Clifford wrote:
"It would not be a surprise to me if Karl Rove the T-Party,and the Koch Bros.,are responsible for the production of this inflammatory film.
It smells like another "Swift Boat" attack".
DR Show MB needs an "Unfounded Made-up Trashy Garbage Rumor" button that we can use on Clifford's posts.
Good thoughts ecgberht; glad to know others on this forum see beyond headlines and PC commentary.
Your 1980 comparison is appropriate. Reagan was also considered weak on foreign policy experience, yet he prevailed over an incompetent incumbent. The heavy media criticism -- and vitriolic blog attacks -- of Romney for even commenting on the matter may be an attempt to avoid similar results this year.
Reagan of course was helped by having as his VP George HW Bush, a former DCI and UN ambassador. Hard to criticize that team for lack of foreign policy creds. Romney seems to now be bringing some strong foreign policy help on board.
Good to see a number of traditional Republicans posting on this left-leaning forum; I think the civil tone appeals to us. Plus Diane is fair minded and balanced compared to many in the media. A lot of lefties criticize her here.
Airborne Sir!
I am astounded at what Republicans call their foreign policy success stories. How many Gulf Wars did we have because of right wing mistakes? The U.S.A. installed and supported tyrant monster after tyrant monster. Not only in the Middle East,but all over Central and South America.
"The enemy of my enemy,is my friend". 100% STUPID !
Don`t take my lefty word for it,just ask Ron Paul.
I want to hear an archive of the Diane Rehm show when Rudolph Giuliani wanted to simply cut government funding for the art exhibit in New York City in which an icon of Jesus Christ was placed in a jar of urine. I really want to hear it because I remember well the gnashing of teeth. Not at the 'brave' artist or the brave 'gallery', but at the mayor for much as suggesting that the government should not fund such exhibits. He never suggested closing down the gallery just cutting off the government involvement. Job one for the new administration is to cut funding for this constant barrage of slanted twaddle.
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It is true that pundits have come out on the side of Mayor Emmanuel on the Chicago Teacher Strike, but that is because neither the pundits nor the mainstream media have listened to the voices of millions of teachers and the parent grassroots organizations that support them, who truly put the interest of students first and who know that the misuse of standardized tests are depriving them of the rich, full education they have a right to.
shakazulu -
I couldn't agree more. Apparently it's only hate speech when it is directed at Islam by Americans. How many times in the last year have we heard NPR gleefully extolling the virtues of the musical I Believe which by the new definition defined here today - is Mormon hate speech. Thank goodness there wasn't rioting and killing as a result. Must be a peacefull religion, unlike as currently practiced and now shown as usual in the middle east.
Put the blame where it belongs...not on the video, nor the director, nor the on backers. Muslim terrorist killed the Ambassador on 9/11...you don't get the connection!?
Somebody asleep at the wheel?..At least on this show today.
Why is it that the cuts targets your commentators all list off are supports--a.k.a. entitelments -- to raise less-advantaged Americans to at least the bottom rung of the American Dream? What would the savings be if America stopped manning military precincts all over the world, or tried to nibble away at the subsidies to the obscenely humungous arms manufacturing industry? With a lowered level of "defence" there might turn out to be fewer "enemies". And megabucks more for Americans.
"SpecialForcesVet wrote:
Good thoughts ecgberht; glad to know others on this forum see beyond headlines and PC commentary.
Your 1980 comparison is appropriate. Reagan was also considered weak on foreign policy experience, yet he prevailed over an incompetent incumbent...
Reagan of course was helped by having as his VP George HW Bush, a former DCI and UN ambassador. Hard to criticize that team for lack of foreign policy creds. Romney seems to now be bringing some strong foreign policy help on board.
Airborne Sir!
September 14, 2012 - 1:06 pm"
Wow, convince a Guy to carry a 300 Pound Bag of S_it on his back for 20 Miles like a GD Donkey, then cut a Nam Baby's throat and suddenly he's a Foreign Policy Expert.
Eggie Said:
"Meanwhile, he withholds troops from our commanders in Afghanistan for political purposes..."
Care to comment on your Pal eggbert's filthy lie or do you believe that politicizing the Military is OK, indeed desirable??
Your adoration of George HW Bush tells a great story.
Sank a Japanese Fishing Boat then sank the Lifeboats and killed the Survivors.
Then after a wisp of smoke arose from his Plane, he bailed out and left his Crew to fend for themselves.
Made the term "Kowtow" infamous while kissing up to his Chinese Friends as Ambassador.
Puked on the Japanese PM.
Got his worthless Son a sweet spot in the Reserves who couldn't even fulfill those obligations.
Indeed, a DCI and what a DCI!! All of his former Friends dead or in Prison- Ghadaffy, Saddam, Edwin Wilson, Noreiga, too many more to list.
"Your 1980 comparison is appropriate. Reagan was also considered weak on foreign policy experience, yet he prevailed over an incompetent incumbent."
Ever heard of Treason and maybe you can explain the gap in GHW Bush's Log while the Paris Conspiracy was taking place which he refuses to account for?
Was the Cake and the Bible his idea?
Infantry Sir!
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
@Clifford: Let me get this straight Clifford... Our American ambasador is killed, 2 of our embasies attacked and you think we should say "now, now, let's play nice". Does this remind you of the Clinton era just before he handed off the problems he ignored to Bush? I have heard nothing from Romney and Ryan demanding war, only from the left wing media and from you and your cronies trumped up rhetoric. Clinton ignored the attacks on 2 embasies and the USS Cole and look what it got us? 9/11 and over 3000 dead and all out war with Islam. Then he handed the problem off to Bush. You want to stick your head in the sand? Go ahead. You'll have plenty of company. You, Obama, Carter and Clinton - stir up the *&^%$ and then blame it on the guys that have to clean it up. What a piece of work you guys are.
Portland:
Dianne, you most likely do not read the comments, but in the off chance that you do, In Portland I highly recommend you check out Powell's books. Then, once you have found something to read, to head over to Cannon Beach and relax. As a D.C. resident, I can't recommend Portland, or the sheer beauty and wonderful food (the Lazy Susan in Cannon beach makes the. best. omelets. ever.) of the Oregon coast enough. Simply fabulous place.
SFV,
McChaun has a reading comprehension problem, and a fact retention problem (i.e. he forgets stuff).
McChaun said,
"Eggie Said:
"Meanwhile, he withholds troops from our commanders in Afghanistan for political purposes..."
Care to comment on your Pal eggbert's filthy lie or do you believe that politicizing the Military is OK, indeed desirable??"
McChaun, I suggest you listen up. You know I don't make statements like that without the facts to back it up. In September of 2009, General McChrystal, in a 66 page report submitted to Secretary Gates outlining a new strategy for the war in Afghanistan, asked for a surge of 60,000 troops into country. That number was later raised to 80,000.
After d**king around for two months, Mr. Obama authorized sending in 30,000. He kept the number low in an attempt to appease the left and deferred approval until the fighting season was over.
Now, McChaun, if you would like to substantiate that this is a "filthy lie" bring it, or shut your pie hole.
Have you looked at Afghanistan lately? It's 3 years later. How successful has that strategy been do ya think?
Look, eggie, I realize your EOD makes it hard to think Linearly and to read and remember, but McChrystal GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR!!!
What a great choice of McChrystal to bolster your scummy lies . Insubordination, disrespect toward the CiC and the Civilians who are responsible for the Military.
What a fine Soldier!!
And don't forget Pat Tilman.
Anyhow, I asked SFV, why didn't you let your new found Pal answer for himself or maybe he's already ashamed he threw in his lot with you??
What about it, SFV, still think eggie is an intellectual Soul Mate?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_A._McChrystal
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"McChrystal GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR!!!"
Hey McGriddle,
You shouldn't depend on Wiki for your information - especially when its links are trash - or, perhaps never existed in the first place, but were planted to try to make a political point. It makes you look exceedingly ignorant. Which of course, you are.
The statement in Wiki is wrong, as evidenced by the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/10/80000-is-the-high-number-of...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125504448324674693.html
The minimum number of troops McChrystal asked for was 40K. He got 30K.
Acording to McGriddle school of mathematics, 40K=30K! Brilliant!
Here's what you wrote at 4:22 pm
McChaun, I suggest you listen up. You know I don't make statements like that without the facts to back it up. In September of 2009, General McChrystal, in a 66 page report submitted to Secretary Gates outlining a new strategy for the war in Afghanistan, asked for a surge of 60,000 troops into country. That number was later raised to 80,000.
After d**king around for two months, Mr. Obama authorized sending in 30,000.
September 14, 2012 - 4:22 pm
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Here's what you wrote at 8:28 pm
ecgberht wrote:
"McChrystal GOT WHAT HE ASKED FOR!!!"
Hey McGriddle,
You shouldn't depend on Wiki for your information - especially when its links are trash - or, perhaps never existed in the first place, but were planted to try to make a political point. It makes you look exceedingly ignorant. Which of course, you are.
The statement in Wiki is wrong, as evidenced by the following:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/10/80000-is-the-high-number-of...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125504448324674693.html
The minimum number of troops McChrystal asked for was 40K. He got 30K.
Acording to McGriddle school of mathematics, 40K=30K! Brilliant!
September 14, 2012 - 8:28 pm"
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Actually he asked for 30,000 to 40,000 and got 30,000.
You poor, pathetic but nevertheless slimy lying Rat.
Acording to Egbert Alzheimer school of mathematics, 60,000=80,000=40,000.
Brilliant!
How bout it SFV, gonna back up your Pal??
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
ecgberht wrote:
"Actually he asked for 30,000 to 40,000 and got 30,000".
That was his first request ... in August.
So what you give is a half-truth (big surprise).
In September, in the report I referenced, the number was 60,000.
By mid October the number was 80,000.
Rome was burning while Obama fiddled.
In November, Obama low-balled him with 30,000.
That would tend to support my statement that
"Meanwhile, he [Obama] withholds troops from our commanders in Afghanistan for political purposes" which you called a "filthy lie".
So McChrystal DIDN'T "get what he asked for".
"Acording to Egbert Alzheimer school of mathematics, 60,000=80,000=40,000. "
McChrystal made multiple requests, essentially begging Obama for troops. Obama waited for the end of the fighting season, leaving the in country troops to twist, then low-balled him for political reasons.
I don't know if you are a liar or not, McGriddle. But I know you are an ignorant fool.
Yes, you should cry fire in a theatre *
* If there’s a fire.
I do wish people would get the quote right. The misquote makes no sense (as I just demonstrated). Here is what the Supreme Court actually said:
“The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.”
Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S.Ct. 247, 63 L.Ed. 470 (1919) , emphasis added.
This is not just a lawyerly quibble. The emphasized word “falsely” (usually omitted from misquotes) is all important. It explains why the “protection of free speech” doesn’t apply. A person who knowingly engages in falsely crying fire wants to cause a panic. Doing so is a crime, and the mere fact that speech is the “weapon” used to commit the crime does not provide immunity.
Many criminal acts are conducted through speech, indeed they may consist exclusively of speech. Fraud, extortion, blackmail, to name just three. The First Amendment provides no protection from prosecution (or civil liability either).
In the case of this vile film (as in the case of the theatre, crowded or not) what matters is the intent of the persons who made the thing. Mistakenly crying fire will not result in prosecution (civil liability is another matter). Similarly, if the film was made as an attempt at satire, or even as an expression of contempt for Islam, disgusting as that might be it is not a crime.
On the other hand, if the film was made deliberately to provoke the reaction it received, the makers may be liable for inciting a riot. (Though, given the danger of “chilling speech”, there’d have to be pretty strong evidence of such intent before a prosecution was attempted. In fact, I’d suggest the evidence had better be conclusive.)
TO BE CONTINUED
PART TWO
Of course, there’s another possibility. It appears “Mr. Bacile” is an immigrant, and one with a criminal record already. It’s possible he could be deported - and I know just where to send him!
What happened to religious freedom. The right of Muslims. I believe we need to support the Constitution. What happened to the right of all religions. Didn't this Pastor Terry violate the constitution with the denigration of Muhammad. He is basically saying no tolerance to any other religion. He is against our Constitutional Right of Freedom of Religion. With Mitt Romney supporting a crack down or strong action against the Middle East isn't he showing an intolerance to Freedom of Religion. a basic tenant to our Constitution. Freedom of Religion. This Pastor Terry denigrated and debased the Muslim faith. Shame on him. Freedom of Religion one of the founding tenants to our Constitution. First they came after my neighbor who believed in Muhammad then they came after me I believe in Christ. I believe each woman and man have a right to Freedom of Religion.
What happened to religious freedom. The right of Muslims. I believe we need to support the Constitution. What happened to the right of all religions. Didn't this Pastor Terry violate the constitution with the denigration of Muhammad. He is basically saying no tolerance to any other religion. He is against our Constitutional Right of Freedom of Religion. With Mitt Romney supporting a crack down or strong action against the Middle East isn't he showing an intolerance to Freedom of Religion. a basic tenant to our Constitution. Freedom of Religion. This Pastor Terry denigrated and debased the Muslim faith. Shame on him. Freedom of Religion one of the founding tenants to our Constitution. First they came after my neighbor who believed in Muhammad then they came after me I believe in Christ. I believe each woman and man have a right to Freedom of Religion.
What happened to religious freedom. The right of Muslims. I believe we need to support the Constitution. What happened to the right of all religions. Didn't this Pastor Terry violate the constitution with the denigration of Muhammad. He is basically saying no tolerance to any other religion. He is against our Constitutional Right of Freedom of Religion. With Mitt Romney supporting a crack down or strong action against the Middle East isn't he showing an intolerance to Freedom of Religion. a basic tenant to our Constitution. Freedom of Religion. This Pastor Terry denigrated and debased the Muslim faith. Shame on him. Freedom of Religion one of the founding tenants to our Constitution. First they came after my neighbor who believed in Muhammad then they came after me.
"Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
PART TWO
Of course, there’s another possibility. It appears “Mr. Bacile” is an immigrant, and one with a criminal record already. It’s possible he could be deported - and I know just where to send him!
September 15, 2012 - 2:17 am"
G_d forbid I should offend you Shrdlu, but his first identity claim was that he was an Israeli Jew Businessman. And a fragment of the English audio that I audited was pure Crown Heights.
You are right about shouting Fire in etc. etc. However, I don't know the details and don't approve, but the Supremes have recognized, "Fighting Words", which I suppose meant speech so offensive that a listener might lose control.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
I am absolutely disgusted by Diane's suggestions that first amendment rights of everyone need to be restrained so that the free speech of whackjob within the US don't offend whackjobs in the muslim world.
I am deeply offended by the way atheist are treated and berated by parts of the religous right. I am NOT however going to take any violent action against them or encourage others to do so. The right of free speech comes with the caveat that you don't have the right to not be offended.
The "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" argument is a false comparison. Yelling fire causes panic because of the instinct for self preservation. Yelling "your god is a false prophet of an ignorant people" causes people to be insulted. The riots and violent reactions are THEIR CHOICE. Shame on you and your guests for even postulating that we should sacrifice our most deeply held beliefs in order to enact a policy of appeasement, which I'm sure would work about as well as that strategy has worked in the past.
I'm insulted by your cowardice and ignorance. I however,will NOT be trying to causes riots and mayhem at the WAMU studios. Had you insulted those you intend to appease I don't think they would show you the same courtesy.
(My first name is Romney, hence the user name, no relation to the candidate)
McGriddle wrote:
"As usual, your EOD warped mind clings to the irrelevant which is not my main concern."
Read: I cannot refute what you said.
"I will point out, however, that each of his "multiple requests" escalated the number by 10,000, which is well known by the Israelis and our State Dept to guarantee failure"
Care to back that up, McGriddle?
Oh... And speaking of the mathematically challenged in McGriddle 'rithmetic,
40K+10K = 60K and
60K+10K = 80K
Brilliant!
Oh, and the last comment gets you flagged as offensive.