Friday News Roundup - Domestic
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A midnight shooting at a Denver Theater left 12 people dead. A suspect is in custody. Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke described efforts to lower the unemployment rate as frustratingly slow. Housing data indicated a market in recovery, with existing home sales and prices and new home starts all up in June. Senator John McCain criticized attacks by Congresswoman Michele Bachman on a long-time aide to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. And, without intervention from Congress, the Post Office moved closer to defaulting on payments for future retiree benefits. Jerry Seib of the Wall Street Journal, Susan Page of USA Today and Chris Cillizza of the Washington Post join Diane for the domestic hour of our Friday News Roundup.
Guests
Jerry Seib
Washington bureau chief for The Wall Street Journal.
Susan Page
Washington bureau chief for USA Today.
Chris Cillizza
author of The Fix, a Washington Post politics blog; managing editor of PostPolitics.com; and author of a new book, "The Gospel According to The Fix."
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Our panel discussed the repercussions of the Colorado movie theater shooting that left 12 dead and dozens injured Friday morning. Jerry Seib, Washington bureau chief for The Wall Street Journal, said the shooting could renew the political debate about violence and gun control in the United States. The Washington Post's Chris Cillizza said polls show there's typically a short-lived bump in the national discussion after major gun-related events, such as the Virginia Tech massacre and Columbine High School shooting. Cillizza added that Gallup polls have found American support for stricter gun laws fall by about 50 percent since 1990.
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The comment I appreciated was from Crozet_barista.
Directed at Ben, the caller addressing his displeasure with the topic of gun control:
I'm glad your gun ownership has saved you and/or your family from danger, but that has absolutely zero to do with assault rifles and modified automatic weapons being sold and used in this country.
The equation of gun control with the revoking of hand guns from citizens is absurd. I wish gun advocates would admit that there is a line between personal protection, and military ordinance.
Is it just me, or does anybody else wonder if the Colorado shooting at a "Batman" movie is connected with Rush Limbaugh's rants about a nefarious plot in the Batman movie - that it subliminally against Romney (because Bane is the movie's evil-doer). I can't help but wonder.
The hate rhetoric has got to stop. My thoughts and prayers for the victims.
Romney's tax returns! are you serious? We got a president that operates outside the Constitution a violation of his sworn oath, circumvents the will of Congress and picks and chooses for political gain which federal laws he will enforce. This show NEVER questions these issues, why?
Diane, Dear Lord I love your show, we are worlds apart in many of our views but gold is gold and you are gold. On President Obama's statements which, to me, denigrates individual accomplishment and effort. I love to think of our national-self as subsets of equal opportunity not equal outcome. So our teachers, our families, our friends, our roads, our collective infrastructure provides our local subset of equal opportunity; whether that be Bill Clinton and Barack Obama's humble start with life or FDR, JFK, and Mitt Romney's silver spoon start. Individually each took what they were given and made it their own. That is what is missing from this, "you didn't ... ", speech by President Obama. The roads are out there for everyone yet some use them to make it more than they found it, all of the aforementioned used every resource available to them. If we fail to celebrate the individual we have commited the same error as one who fails to acknowledge the totality of environment that supported the individual achievement, both must exist if success is to be created.
I am sick to death of people using the term "socialist," to describe the President. It is clear that people using that word do not have the faintest idea what that word means. I believe in the benefits of a socialist economy, I know socialists and the President is NO socialist. I wish he were. As for the President's college records, exactly what is the relevance of them to the Presidential race? That's just a Teabagger distraction because they don't want R-Money to release his prior tax returns showing that the majority of HiS income came from offshore companies and banks.
partisan politics:
You forgot to include O smoking weed in high school in your last post. (As if that was meaningful...)
We will see your swap request for O's transcripts with Mitt's tax returns and raise you Mitt's gang-bullying at prep school, W's AWOL records, W's cocaine habit, W's alcoholism, Cheney's secret energy summit notes, ......oh, and a sack of wax lips.
I own Sony Sound Forge software; I can take a Romney speech and patch it up so it sounds like he admitted producing alien babies in Area 51. It doesn't mean it's true. Photoshopping the Pres' speeches and media clips to produce campaign ads is about as deceptive as a candidate can get.
The righty methodology is to create some outrageous bogus phony conspiracy or "shocking" revelation and then assign it to the left and then go on Faux Snooze or Limbaugh and decry the horrid unamerican outrage about it. Sean Hannity and Glen Beck and Rush can spend HOURS screaming about the most off-the-wall stuff that it is literally roll-in-the-aisles hilarious. It is highly reminiscent of Gilda Radner's character "Emily Litella" who made up whatever mistaken quote/situation and then said "Never mind" back in the old SNL days. Of course, Faux et al never would admit to a never-mind moment.
By the way, are you getting paid by the blog entry or by the "creative" bogus notion?
It worries me that after last nights tragedy in Aurora, the discussion immediately turns to firearm regulation. Let's not forget that a gun is only as dangerous as the person holding it.
Attention should be given to the criminal, not the weapon.
Of course, its much easier to say "lets take everyone's guns away," but it does not solve the problem of violent crime.
And in fact it could cause many more problems:
Government spends money to regulate firearms.
Jobs are lost due to closure of American firearms manufacturers.
Domestic markets created for ILLEGAL firearms.
We cannot let lunatics like this young man rewrite our Constitution.
The victims and their families are in my thoughts and prayers.
You want a 'game-changer'....wait till the debates...Obama will mop up Romney! in a civilized way, of course!
It only took Jerry Seib five minutes into the show to bring up gun control and Chris Cillizza couldn't wait to offer his benighted comment, "these things do not happen in a vacuum." Diane Rehm asks "should people be allowed to own guns, shotguns, machine guns, tear gas." What? Aside from the 2nd Amendment, what other Constitutional right does Rehm not consider American citizens worthy of? As Caller Ben asked, "Does that make sense, Diane?".......Diane never answered Ben.
Typical of Rehm and her panel, they had zero to say about punishing the actual shooter, but were breathless in their denouncement of inanimate objects.
LibVet wrote: "bogus notion'
Your just mad because you made a fool of yourself yesterday.
Diane Rehm asks, "How did Hillary Clinton and Bob Schieffer wind up in a Romney ad?" Schieffer's objection is not that he appears in a political ad, but that he is shown criticizing POTUS Obama. The last thing Bob wants is to be seen actually doing his job as a reporter.
Don't worry Diane. No chance the Romney campaign will ever use a quote from you criticizing Obama in an ad since you have been incapable of offering anything other than fawning admiration for POTUS Obama.
Of course it is well know D.R. is an anti gun zealot, if you have to lie every time you see a rifle and call it a machine gun the gig is up. The gun banners focus on semi auto rifles because in their minds it's an easy target, but make no mistake if they get their way on that it's on to self loading handguns then revolvers, hunting rifles, shotguns, black powder guns and then finally air guns. We have seen this in other countries. In England for example it happened just this way, now they ban knives as well and the crime rates have only gone up.
partisan politics,
Every time you misspell "you're" you take on the role of the fool.
QED.
Dr. Thompson wrote:
“Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for f--koffs and misfits -- a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage.”
P.S. Obama was ELECTED by a plurality of votes both in the popular count and the Electoral College. That's what we Americans call an American election and that is what makes Barack Obama the President of the United States of America.
SUFFER, fool!!
Maybe I'll give you something to live for and keep writing it that way, your welcome!
Significantly, both political campaigns took steps to dull their political colors when addressing the Aurora shooting today, and even Susan Page on the panel this morning tried to warn Diane that it was inappropriate to be making political hay out of the deaths of innocents while their blood was still drying.
But, just as she did in the case of the Trayvon Martin shooting, the old vulture couldn't resist rooting around in fresh kills with her beak in search of some fresh partisan meat to exploit in order to promote herself and controversy on her show.
Diane has become like the old woman you can't take out in public any more because you never know when she is going to let loose and urinate in her chair at the restaurant, not because she is incontinent, but just because in her creeping dementia she has to act out and show the world she can if she wants to.
Diane worries about NPR's public funding being cut, and she went out on a hilariously off-topic tangent yesterday with Marco Rubio trying to paint him as the enemy in order to charge up her base like any other run of the mill celebrity politician, but the most immediate threat to public funding of NPR really isn't Rubio, it's staring back at Diane and everyone else she threatens from her mirror.
"partisan politics wrote:
Please discuss the changes in work requirements to receive welfare by edict from president Obama to HHS. Does this not illegally circumvent the will of congress and the bipartisan Welfare Reform Act of 1996.
July 19, 2012 - 6:57 pm"
You miserable Rat, I explained it last week, all you had to was get off your A_s and read the documents.
mchaun wrote:
"partisan politics wrote:
Yesterday, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) issued guidance" to states that could undermine the work requirements introduced in the 1996 welfare reform. The HHS guidance explains how states can seek "waivers" of work requirements for recipients of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)program. But there has been no change in the TANF law, no proposal from the Obama administration to change policy, and no basis in statute for the changes
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/07/obama_administration_undermi...
July 13, 2012 - 1:26 pm"
Wow!!! First day on the DR Blog and already proved yourself to be a Liar, Bigot, Racist and Bully.
Every word in your comment is a GD Lie. You ought to be more careful in who you quote, you Stupid SOB!!
The waiver is authorized in Section 402 in which States are encouraged to experiment with alternative processes that lead to better outcomes.
These waivers will be allowed in tests to find ways to improve employability of Parents and will be conducted within extremely tight limits, close supervision and accountability and subject to instant termination.
I implore the DR Commenters to read the Memo and decide for themselves.
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/policy/im-ofa/2012/im201203/im201203...
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
July 13, 2012 - 2:55 pm
maryches wrote:
"You want a 'game-changer'....wait till the debates...Obama will mop up Romney! in a civilized way, of course."
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POTUS Obama's rule for any debate; Teleprompter will be allowed only for the sitting President.
"Spencer wrote:
The difference in the incident in the internet cafe in Fla. and the movie theater in Colorado is an old man with a concealed handgun.
July 20, 2012 - 10:46 am"
It probably wouldn't have made any difference, the shooter was fully armored.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
mchaun wrote:
"It probably wouldn't have made any difference, the shooter was fully armored."
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"He appeared to be in costume, wearing body armor and a gas mask."
Gas masks are not bullet proof.
, bad info.
JamieT wrote: A great post!
"MarcusTullius wrote:
mchaun wrote:
"It probably wouldn't have made any difference, the shooter was fully armored."
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"He appeared to be in costume, wearing body armor and a gas mask."
Gas masks are not bullet proof.
July 20, 2012 - 6:30 pm"
He appeared to be in FULL BODY ARMOR, including Ballistic Helmet and was wearing a gas mask.
If you weren't such a Know it All, you would understand that would have been a tough shot even for cops, who in spite of extensive gun training and practice, often fire fusilades without a single hit in stressful situations.
There may well have been armed patrons in the theater who wisely decided that hiding under his seat would have been wiser than a standup gun battle against a guy armed with a rifle and armor.
Most of you gun guys are like our Military, at their bravest when they outnumber their unarmed enemy one Hundred to One or more.
I hate to have to tell you this, Marcus Toolius, but I'm afraid you are suffering from Monte Derangement Syndrome.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
Probably not a good idea to find any humor in anything related to this tragedy.
mchaun wrote
"There may well have been armed patrons in the theater who wisely decided that hiding under his seat would have been wiser than a standup gun battle against a guy armed with a rifle and armor."
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This wasn't the 1997 North Hollywood Bank of America shootout with two professional bank robbers wearing body armor and using illegally converted full auto weapons. Wearing a vest may prevent penetration, but the person will likely be knocked down, not to mention the pain inflicted from absorbing the round(s) from close range. That might provide movie theater folks around him time to disarm him. But that you dismiss this out of hand would grant you a gold star from Diane Rehm
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mchaun wrote
"He appeared to...including Ballistic Helmet...."
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PASGT helmets suffered catastrophic armor penetration when hit head-on with one round of the MP7's 4.6 x 30 mm ammunition.
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mchaun wrote:
"If you weren't such a Know it All, you would understand that would have been a tough shot even for cops, who in spite of extensive gun training and practice, often fire fusilades without a single hit in stressful situations"
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Beat cops, yes. They have scant training with their firearm. SWAT type teams, no. Hitting the target in stressful situations is precisely the point of their training.
mchaun wrote:
"Most of you gun guys are like our Military, at their bravest when they outnumber their unarmed enemy one Hundred to One or more.
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When do you imagine you will grow cojones to confront any of the U.S. armed service personnel and offer up this bilge? I imagine even PFC Jessica Dawn Lynch would reduce you to a quivering mass of jelly if you said that to her
"MarcusTullius wrote:
mchaun wrote
"There may well have been armed patrons in the theater who wisely decided that hiding under his seat would have been wiser than a standup gun battle against a guy armed with a rifle and armor."
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This wasn't the 1997 North Hollywood Bank of America shootout with two professional bank robbers wearing body armor and using illegally converted full auto weapons. Wearing a vest may prevent penetration, but the person will likely be knocked down, not to mention the pain inflicted from absorbing the round(s) from close range. That might provide movie theater folks around him time to disarm him. But that you dismiss this out of hand would grant you a gold star from Diane Rehm
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mchaun wrote
"He appeared to...including Ballistic Helmet...."
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PASGT helmets suffered catastrophic armor penetration when hit head-on with one round of the MP7's 4.6 x 30 mm ammunition.
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mchaun wrote:
"If you weren't such a Know it All, you would understand that would have been a tough shot even for cops..."
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Beat cops, yes. They have scant training with their firearm. SWAT type teams, no. Hitting the target in stressful situations is precisely the point of their training.
July 20, 2012 - 7:51 pm"
You're crazy!!
1) there were likely no SWAT Team members in the audience that night,
2) If there were, they wouldn't be armed with MP7's 4.6 x 30 mm ammo, but handguns.
3) The North Hollywood Bank Robbers held off 350 cops, in spite of all your poorly informed speculations.
Abigail got on eggbert about his introduction of hypothetical events that didn't happen into his arguments and turns them into Straw Men which he then knocks down. I hope she comes back.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
MarcusTullius wrote:
mchaun wrote:
"Most of you gun guys are like our Military, at their bravest when they outnumber their unarmed enemy one Hundred to One or more.
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When do you imagine you will grow cojones to confront any of the U.S. armed service personnel and offer up this bilge? I imagine even PFC Jessica Dawn Lynch would reduce you to a quivering mass of jelly if you said that to her
July 20, 2012 - 8:05 pm
Yeah, I had an IDF Baby Killer say the same thing to me.
But they were right, I wouldn't confront them for the simple reason that a Coward with a Gun is the most dangerous thing there is.
But wasn't the reason they dumped all the high explosives, phosphorus and Cluster Munitions on those Iraqi and Afghani Babies, to preserve our Free Speech Rights?
Jessica was broken hearted by the way our S_it Military used her, I certainly wouldn't blame her for shameful conduct of our Military since Nam.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com