Friday News Roundup - Domestic
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2012-06-29/friday-news-roundup-domestic
Chief Justice John Roberts joined the liberal members of the Supreme Court to uphold President Obama’s health care overhaul. Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney and other Republican leaders pledged to fight for repeal of the law. The House voted to make Eric Holder the first sitting U.S.Attorney General to be held in contempt of congress. New York Congressman Charlie Rangel and Utah Senator Orin Hatch survive hard-fought primary battles. Earlier in the week, the Supreme Court struck down several parts of Arizona’s immigration law, but upheld the controversial “show me your papers” provision. Ron Elving of NPR, Karen Tumulty of the Washington Post and John Harwood of CNBC join Diane for analysis of the week's top national news stories.
Guests
Ron Elving
Washington editor for NPR.
Karen Tumulty
national political reporter, The Washington Post.
John Harwood
chief Washington correspondent for CNBC; reporter, The New York Times.
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nohoplophobe wrote:
{Sounds like an allegation to me!}
"Either you or your most senior advisers were involved in managing Operation Fast and Furious and the fallout from it, including the false Feb. 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee," Issa wrote to Obama. "Or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation."
Actually, sounds like a Disjunctive allegation to me if it was, in fact, really an allegation.
"Disjunctive allegations are allegations in a pleading joined together by an "or". In a complaint, disjunctive allegations are usually per se defective because such a pleading does not put the party on notice of which allegations they must defend."
Issa and Congress can speculate as much as they want. The charges are only for withholding some files. The charges held no opinions or allegations about Holder and/or the President's motives.
"An allegation (also called adduction) is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, which the party claims to be able to prove. Allegations remain assertions without proof, until they can be proved."
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
Someone asked me once "what kind of fool do you take me for?" naturally the response is, how many kinds are there?
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Questioning whether congress had the constitutional right to require people to buy health insurance should have been horse-laughed out of court. Governments have been making people buy things ever since I was a kid: air bags, baby seats, bike lights, car insurance, catalytic converters, child support, circuit breakers, drivers’ licences, home insulation, lawn mowers, leaf rakes, life jackets, motorcycle helmets, oars, safety flares, seat belts, sewer hookups, smoke detectors, snow shovels, tail lights and even clothes (nudity is illegal)… Right wingers periodically try to pass laws forcing people to buy firearms.
The Supreme court ruled correctly. If the government has the right to tax, namely to demand a fee and give nothing tangible in return, it surely also has the right to demand a fee where the taxpayer gets something tangible (health insurance) back. To give the Republicans debating point fodder in the presidential election, Chief Justice John Roberts did not express his decision that way, but ruled mandatory health insurance is a tax.
But health insurance premiums are clearly not taxes in the ordinary sense, and neither are any of the those other things you are forced to buy. A tax is something you pay into a general revenue fund for the common good; you don’t get some object or contract in return. Republicans are playing dishonest word games to make it look like Obama is raising taxes.
Obama is actually lowering the total amount of money people have to pay for health care, the very opposite of raising taxes. Americans pay three times what anyone else does for their health care. They also have the worst outcomes, of any developed country. They are two rungs lower than Cuba in IMR (Infant Mortality Rate). If Republicans would get out of Obama’s way, and work for the benefit of the American people rather than big Pharma and the HMOs (Health Management Organisations), he could save them massive amounts of money more. There is an incredible amount of low-hanging fat in American health care that could be pruned to improve quality and lower costs, starting with standardised, simplified computer billing that every other developed country uses.
You can call it a titanium plated diamond studded life enhancing trip to the promised land, but it's still a tax. I hope the dem's stick with that garbage that it's not a tax, they look as dumb as dirt and apparently are.
Marcus,
Leave your links to those who are non-residents and those who have not obtained an Indiana license recently and who have not voted in the state recently.
Of course, YOU are the designated (aka no actual experience) expert in all things. I, my spouse, my adult children, my neighbors, and acquaintances have ALL experienced similar administrative glitches at polling stations and license branches (in more than one county/district) due to poorly informed, poorly trained "officials".
Ironically, in my own situation, the person who finally approved my documents (including my certified original birth certificate, US valid passport, 2 recent utility bills, my original Social Security card, and the reminder card from BMV asking me to renew early) was an H1B individual from India. Note that the clerk who reviews documents at the door of the branch insusted on having a document from state government with a postmark within the prior 60 days...........she even questioned the state reminder card and had to get approval from the branch manager.
You see, in real life rather than the Internet, actual experiences trump bogus guesswork. So smoke that instead of the other stuff you inhale.
Roedy Green wrote:
" Governments have been making people buy things ever since I was a kid: air bags, baby seats, bike lights, car insurance, catalytic converters, child support, circuit breakers, drivers’ licences, home insulation, lawn mowers, leaf rakes, life jackets, motorcycle helmets, oars, safety flares, seat belts, sewer hookups, smoke detectors, snow shovels, tail lights and even clothes (nudity is illegal)… Right wingers periodically try to pass laws forcing people to buy firearms."
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Unless you elected to purchased a car, motorcycle, home, boat, etc, you were never obligated to buy any of the things you mentioned. Helmet laws are left up to the individual states. Have you never heard of nudist camps and nudist beaches in the U.S.?
The operative word being "try" to pass. Since there isn't a federal government law requiring all citizens to purchase firearms, what was your point again?
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Roedy Green wrote:
"The Supreme court ruled correctly.
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Here you the SCOTUS ruled correctly.
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Roedy Green wrote:
"But health insurance premiums are clearly not taxes in the ordinary sense,.."
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Here you say the SCOTUS ruled incorrectly.
You do realize that Chief Justice Roberts, the guy Senator Obama ruled against during his confirmation hearings, saved POTUS Obama's legacy. Why would a Chief Justice nominated by a "right winger" do this?
LibVet wrote:
Marcus,
"You see, in real life rather than the Internet, actual experiences trump bogus guesswork. So smoke that instead of the other stuff you inhale."
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Real life? The link is the Indiana Secretary of State official website. This is not just somebody's opinion or apocryphal story, like yours is. Because the polling station folks you encountered are incompetent, the actual Illinois law about passports being OK for identification is false? Instead of crying about having to produce government generated photo ID before voting, you should worry about the Illinois public school system that produced the ignorant folks that tend to your polling station.
Marcus,
Do you really think the Indiana Secretary of State is going to tell the public that there are humongous gaps in their licensing and voting procedures??
Do you think a state run mostly by Republicans and Libertarians is going to make it anything but hard for non-conservatives?? Would they admit that voter suppression was their real goal in recent legislation changes? Literally 7 (seven) instances of voter fraud in the 150+ state history.
Illinois??? Are you non-compus?
Things are tough enough in Indiana with Mitch Daniels cutting education to the quick, while literally misplacing a half a billion dollars from the last two years budgets to worry about Illinois troubles........which we can have zero impact on anyway. You are just lucky that Mitch didn't get into the Presidential lottery..........his propaganda machine promised jobs, jobs, jobs while Channel 13 in Indianapolis exposed his real track record on jobs........less than 30% of the jobs publicized ever showed up, and the companies involved kept the tax abatements and other incentives anyway. Mitch pushed though property tax caps that made it impossible for ANY district to meet its education budget without massive layoffs.
Stay in Illinois and fish on your own side if the White River.
LibVet, would you trade places politically with Illinois if you could?
LibVet wrote:
"Marcus,
Do you really think the Indiana Secretary of State is going to tell the public that there are humongous gaps in their licensing and voting procedures?"
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Good. You now acknowledge that a U.S. Government passport is indeed valid ID for voting in Indiana. Now we have to do something about your moonbat conspiracies about how the Indiana state government has implemented a dastardly plan for voter suppression.
There are 7 cases of voter fraud in Indiana's history? But they were valid cases, yes? How many documented cases of decrepit voters being turned away from the polls for not having valid photo ID in the 150+ state history?