Results of South Carolina's Primary
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Sand sculptors Fred Dobbs of Victoria, Canada, right, and Raymond Wirick of East Kennett, England, work on the sculpture of likenesses of Republican presidential candidates, from left to right, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, and others, at the site of the Republican presidential debate in Myrtle Beach, S.C., Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012.
(AP Photo/Charles Dharapak, Pool)
The remaining candidates in the G.O.P. race battle it out in South Carolina's primary. Join us for analysis of the outcome, its impact on the rest of the race, and a look ahead to November.
Guests
Todd Purdum
national editor, "Vanity Fair"
Mickey Edwards
Former Congressman (Oklahoma 1977-1993)and member of the House Republican leadership; vice president of the Aspen Institute
Author of "The Parties Versus the People: How to Turn Republicans and Democrats into Americans”, which will be published this summer by Yale University Press
Karen Tumulty
national political reporter, The Washington Post.
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Just took a look over at the Fox "News" forums to observe the reactions to SC...WOW!..it's as if someone took a dozen rabid weasels, threw them in a sack, and hosed it down! They don't seem sure about who to bite next.....The Newtons, Paulites and standard issue regressive oligarcs are all spinning more than a box car full of tops that derailed. Makes me smile.
Sanity, integrity and freedom came in fourth, what a shock..
TB, I am sure it does, why is that? I already know the answer, I think pancake could fill you in..
Thanks for those quotes from Madison the other day they were great reinhard, they should be used in republican debates or any debate concerning the size of the federal government.
The communist posters here do seem to be mired in misery and despair, I guess it's part of the program of envy and hate to get pleasure from our suffering country. Stalin had no trouble finding henchmen to do his bidding so it figures these types are always present everywhere at all times,
If Mitt Romney does manage to limp to the nomination sometime this spring or summer, the former Massachusetts governor may face an enthusiasm problem, if South Carolina exit polls are any indication.
Thirty-one percent of people who said they voted for Newt Gingrich said that if Romney ultimately takes the nomination, they would not support him in general election. The same was true of 40 percent of Ron Paul backers. Among all voters, a full 12 percent said that come November, they will not be backing Romney.
Whether they stick by their pledge or not, the promise to stay home speaks to a lack of excitement for Romney.
In South Carolina, at least, much of that standoffishness may have to do with religion, and particularly Romney's Mormon faith. An exit poll found that of the 60 percent of voters who cared a great deal about religion, and believe that Mormons eat babies and bite the heads off bats.
Every ounce of news coverage thus far has been a meaningles, a trivial dump of poll statistics and predictions. In the midst of public frustration over misinformation and a wide distrust of party candidates and government officials - why do all media sources continue to lack the sort of education we need about party candidates?
I suppose that is what happens in a country that relies on "news coverage" rather than thoughtful discussion. Instead of listening to speeches and party platforms, a full panel of experts is brought in to enlighten us on recent poll numbers and reactions from religious groups on issues completely irrelevant. With due diligence I wait for the day we surpass party rhetoric, who is up or down in the polls, and actually sit down and discuss what policies are good for our country.
Until then, I am opting out of any coverage over primaries and politics. I get that a republican needs to beat Barack Obama, I get that the republican needs to win the polls, and I get that religious groups are ruining an entire party's attempt to run a country based on its own vested interest in one issue. Stop beating a dead horse. I am America's youth -- I want answers or at best real information, not an ex-wife's drabble over her husband's marital preferences.
Thank you 21st century for investing millions in news coverage over a caucasus that can't even be counted properly.
There is no greater threat to the sanctity of marriage than Newt and Callista Gingrich. A homosexual relationship is far less dangerous than a philandering husband and a woman who knowingly agrees and maintains a relationship with a married man. I find the hypocrisy of the religious right in South Carolina to be shocking and ridiculous that they would support someone of this caliber. I cannot imagine explaining to my children the ethical character of the current Republican nominee.
Citizens United has not made any difference in these primaries. Another empty fear mongering prediction from left proved wrong. The candidates and Obama are the ones telling the voters the lies they want to hear, until the voters want to hear the truth nothing will change. Complaining about media coverage is stupid when good coverage is measured in the minds of most by what they want to hear, certainly not by the uncomfortable facts they have no interest in.
King choked and gave Gingrich a bump while sitting on his rump
King choked or wanted to give Gingrich a bump or clearly can not think sitting on his rump. After Gingrich responded to his open ended question Gingrich quickly flipped the script and blamed the "elite" media for his hypocritical and immoral behavior. Duh this is a Gingrich certified pattern King rolled over. How much would it have taken to respond with "so Mr. Gingrich are you blaming the media for this behavior?"
Clearly Gingrich played the racist, sexist, classist card. Rember that woman "thank you Speaker Gingrich for putting Juan Williams in his place"
I have worked in South Carolina quite a bit for different Dem candidates. That element is alive and weil in South Carolina.
Teece Bowman wrote:
"WOW!..it's as if someone took a dozen rabid weasels, threw them in a sack, and hosed it down! They don't seem sure about who to bite next"
Kinda like Clinton and Obama in 2008, eh?
prayer for all of us:
Please do not let the press elect our leaders. Please let us do our civic duty. Amen.
Belle wrote:
" I find the hypocrisy of the religious right in South Carolina to be shocking and ridiculous that they would support someone of this caliber."
Newt Gingrich has confessed his sin and asked for forgiveness. The "religious right" as you call them, who believe in redemption and forgiveness (which apparently the left does not) have accepted that.
So, how is that hypocritical? It sounds consistent with their religious beliefs to me.
Kathleen wrote:
"Clearly Gingrich played the racist, sexist, classist card. Rember that woman "thank you Speaker Gingrich for putting Juan Williams in his place""
NPR fired Juan Williams. Fox hired him.
What does that make NPR?
"Mars wrote:
...The communist posters here...
January 22, 2012 - 10:05 am"
Hahaha! What a schmuck.
Numerous employees of NPR have excused NPR of "pervasive cronyism" Not hard to look at that one. Look at who gets upper level positions and the host of shows. Look at what programs an issues that NPR will not touch honestly.
I have talked in person with Juan Williams about this issue at NPR.
When I shop for a laundry detergent I seek one without useless dyes and perfumes, something effective on dirt but mild to human hides. None of the concoctions offered by Republicans Incorporated in the recent SC primary meet those criteria. I have a few old Republican werewolves in my family and they didn't even prick up their tattered ears to the TV commercials and howling coming across the border from south of Belmont. SC was a non-event, less important than Jeb Bush endorsing Romney. My older relatives were singing around the TV Friday night when Gretchen Morgenson unraveled Fannie and Freddie (Gingrich employer?) on Bill Moyers and Company (PBS Channel 42).
One hoary headed uncle began humming and soon the lyrics were being mouthed around the room:
"Wyatt Earp, Wyatt Earp- brave, courageous and bold.
Long live his name and long live his glory,
And long may his story be told.
He cleaned up this country,
This great wild west country,
He made law and order prevail.
And none can deny it, the legend of Wyatt,
Forever will live on the trail."
(That serial used to run in the same timeslot as Moyers 50 years ago.)
Now if Republicans Incorporated could come up with a powder or liquid as powerful as that nostalgia they'd really have a winner. I've been humming that all morning, but the whore's race remains under PAC ownership (Gingrich and Romney should be ashamed of their shady backers.), and there's very little generally ill-informed Republican consumers can do about it except get more racist and hateful. Now it's a game of skin the cat. (Obama)
Of course evangelicals in South Carolina voted for Gingrich. Lots of people in South Carolina hiding racist, sexist attitudes behind their alleged religious beliefs. Gingrich played to this crowd and pulled it off. All the "elite" media needs to do is get out of their hotels and sniff around South Carolina.
Or just start talking with the maids in their hotels and to the people working in the kitchens of those places. Most of the wait folks are white maids and kitchen workers black. Open up their eyes.
One of your male guests just said that the race will be a "referendum on 1st black president" -- BULL FEATHERS!! That is offensive when liberals play the race card. Obama could have never got elected without a lot of white support. People of all races who oppose Obama do so because of his policies and ideology. Most of my white friends voted for Obama so they could prove to themselves that they were not racist! (Do not takes a few racists on the fringe as proof of your belief that racism is involved. Besides, there are a few black racists too who hate whites.)
Is anyone else just listening and watching all of the GOP Primary coverage and thinking "we aren't talking about the problems in our country and the world." Why is the media so focused on this Primary at the expense of issues/problems that Congress isn't dealing with right now? Is the race so important that we don't hold Congress and the President more accountable with more attention on what is not getting done today? Very frustrated with the media's focus, or rather obsession.
I find it fascinating that South Carolina voters rejected Romney who clearly seems to walk the talk of his religious beliefs. Devoted to his wife and family. And the evangelical voters embrace Gingrich an individual who is a serial adulterer and pointed at Clinton for the same behavior while he was actively cheating on his wife.
My take on these voters is that racism, sexism all hidden behind alleged religious beliefs is alive and well in South Carolina. And quite frankly I know that it is after pounding the pavement, red dirt ,knocking on doors, riding on buses in South Carolina during several Dem Campaigns over the years
Newt winning illustrates the Republican values: they want to rule and could care less about the results for the country.
As a child growing up in Charleston, SC, I know the mind of native South Carolinians to some extent. They identified with the word 'appalled', because the people of the Tidewater, the Mayflower contingent, identify with being 'appalled' that anyone would suggest that they are racist, as they are 'so proper.' Newt slipped into their frozen-in-time zeitgeist of being 'so proper' that the gloves come off and the slap of the gloves on the cheek of the 'offender' is always 'appropriate' when someone has 'crossed the line' in their social circles. They are so defensive of being accused of racism, a racism that is apparent to everyone else, even apartheid in its application politically and socially, that in their mind 'it can't be true.' It is like parents that can't see what they are doing to their children. If you try to point it out, you are thrown out the door as being 'deaf, dumb, and blind' to their style of 'loving their children.' The love of their 'uniqueness' of South Carolinians is just such a dissociation. Newt can easily play the roll, can be offended, and cast aspersions on the outsiders - the press (of the devil) , and others who they have allowed in the state as temporary guests 'on approval' during the primary. Newt will get their votes as he is 'one of us', although of the Papal inclination.
His imperiousness is justified in their pewterness.
There seems to me to be little to distinguish the demagogue from the racist remarks he makes, even if they are designed only to win votes. Take for example Gingrich's references to Saul Alinsky - Jewish, the anti-socialist and pioneer in community organizing. It's the sound of it - a Jewish sounding name linked to radical social policy as Obama's patron saint and inspiration. Not a racist?
Roger C Benson
St Petersburg
Valpov: The only salvation of this corrupt country would be to cap wealth and income by means of employment regulation and taxation. That would make a merit system possible and solve all our major problems including money in politics, education, health care and environmental degradation. Best of all our troops would be withdrawn from corporate campaigns and we'd enjoy the peace dividend. Finally!
The biggest religion clouding the issues is greedy capitalism.
I think the People are almost ready to deal with what make believe whore's racing has avoided. I know people who would go to Occupy if they had shoes, coats and car fare, and someone to watch Granny and the lit'luns.
(Wyatt Earp would jail 'em, not bail 'em like Obama.)
Obviously OJT has not worked for the O'Bamster - Time to get a real businessman / politician in the oval office - will be voting ABO - as I am sure a majority of the voying electorate - Thank God this purgatory is almost over.
Bo Jones wrote:
"One of your male guests just said that the race will be a "referendum on 1st black president"
B.O. would not have been elected if he was WHITE! No other candidate could have gotten away without being scrutinized like B.O. The media and liberals love him because of his skin color.
Many of us in Indiana would disagree that Mitch is a viable alternative to the current line-up of out-of-touch Republican presidential candidates. He is still just another pro-profits, anti-worker, anti-regulation, anit-public education Republican governor agressively pursuing "business-friendly" policies that certainly aren't very community-friendly. His administration "lost" $300 milliion for 3 years....interestingly enough, this is just about the same amount of money cut from the public education budget about the time it came up missing. Oh and don't forget to review his performance as W's director of the Office of Management and Budget...yeah, Mitch - what a breath of fresh air.
Bo Jones wrote:
"One of your male guests just said that the race will be a "referendum on 1st black president" -- BULL FEATHERS!! That is offensive when liberals play the race card. Obama could have never got elected without a lot of white support. People of all races who oppose Obama do so because of his policies and ideology. Most of my white friends voted for Obama so they could prove to themselves that they were not racist! (Do not takes a few racists on the fringe as proof of your belief that racism is involved. Besides, there are a few black racists too who hate whites.)"
Bo, I opined on this board months ago as to exactly when the race card would be played again. It started right after Herman Cain was out of the race. Don't be surprised by it. It's all the progressive left has. They certainly can't tout the President's record.
Re Newt Gingrich and racism: one of the commentators speculated that Newt is likely not a racist, but I'd like to draw attention to the fact that we are what we practice, and many of Newt's comments about President Obama are racist code language.....
I have worked in South Carolina on Dem campaigns
Mean Ging played four aces in South Carolina
1. Racism/Food stamps "thank you Mr. Speaker for putting Juan Williams in his place"
2. "elite media" when King called him out on his hypocritical behavior
3. Classism...we don't want unions in South Carolina no way no how
4. Sexism...my behavior is not my fault
It worked