Friday News Roundup - Domestic
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Republican presidential candidates moved on to South Carolina, as front-runner Mitt Romney faced criticism from within the GOP over his tenure at Bain Capital. White House Chief of Staff Bill Daley is leaving after just one year on the job. A Federal Reserve survey showed the economy ended 2011 with the highest growth since last spring. David Chalian of Yahoo! News, Susan Page of USA Today and John Dickerson of Slate.com join Diane for analysis of the week's top national news stories.
Guests
David Chalian
Washington bureau chief, Yahoo! News.
Susan Page
Washington bureau chief for USA Today.
John Dickerson
chief political correspondent for Slate.com and CBS political analyst and contributor. Author of "On Her Trail: My Mother, Nancy Dickerson, TV News' First Woman Star."
Friday News Roundup Video
Callers voice concerns about GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's management of Bain Capital. One woman whose husband's company was bought by Bain said that Bain laid off many workers and that its management strategy is placing tremendous stress on employees, although her husband makes the same salary:
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You cannot gain the benefits of something without also suffering the drawbacks. If a corporation is an individual, if its product causes the death of someone (e.g., pharmaceutical), can it be charged with negligent homicide. The BP oil disaster...who at BP or Transocean was charged for the death of the workers at the oil rig. Or, does the corporation only derive the benefits of being a person under the law, with none of the drawbacks. The Sup. Crt. decision will go down as one of the most asinine decisions in its history and like other asinine decisions (think Dred Scott), it will be over turned in the future.
Teece Bowman wrote:
"Do you mean these facts?"
Well, still waiting for some actual TRUTH. The "faux grassroots movement started by a GOP consultant and funded by the billionaire Koch Brothers" is a continuing lie of the left.
"The ‘Tea Party’ label has gotten to the point where it’s a turn off for voters most everywhere"
The TP has been vilified in the liberal press. That has much more to do with any unpopularity than the principles upon which it stands. The use of phrases like "astroturf" and "teabagger" stick in people's minds even though they are 1) false and 2) vulgar. Nice going.
"So much for ROCKING the Republican establishment."
The TP took away Obama's Congressional power in 2010 in UNPRECEDENTED fashion, creating the largest swing in House membership in at least 50 years. That's where the world gets rocked. Not in the press, not on a message board, but in the voting booth. The TP then proceded to DIRECT the agenda in the house for the next year - THAT'S WHAT LIBERALS HAVE BEEN SCREAMING ABOUT!!! I'm not sure what constitutes "rocking the Republican establishment", but to me, that qualifies!
As much as you would like to believe that the propaganda campaign of the left against the TP has sent it "on the way out", you are in for a rude awakening on November 7th.
@Jim Davis, It wasn't the media that took a snippet of a candidates' comment and distorted it; it was a fellow republican candidate (or his PAC) that did it. Every time I've seen or heard the media mention it, they've given the context behind the comment.
The media industry isn't perfect, but they get blamed for a lot of things they don't do, or that isn't their fault.
MarcusTullius @0958am: "You prefer to get your misinformation from left wing propaganda outlets that are surrogates for POTUS Obama such as MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, and NPR."--Good work, comrades, now Fox News and World Net Daily are the last obstacles to our glorious socialist takeover of America! Marcus, thanks for unintentionally giving my office the best laugh of the morning!
The only jobs the 'job creators' create in the US is an impossible task of clean up. You would need regulations to 'clean up.' Then they say they take all the risks. Pshaw. Sure, the venture capitalists take it with other people's money. They get fees going in and coming out. It is a private volley ball game and they know how to make it look like a friendly game, and 'what charming sportsmanship' in public, but we all know what things are like in the locker room. Kind of like the 'Urinating on Corpses." American Democracy is the Corpse, but the tea party doesn't realize it yet. No wonder Vampire Movies about the Undead are so popular. The youth have nothing to look forward to but Avatars playing on Battle fields of historical and mythological times. A game about politics, and the main chance, and gravy trains, needs to be put up. We can elect a "Snarker-in-Chief" and the vice president, will be a new "Cheney-in-Place," and we will be back to "The Uncurious" because "We know it all" This we could call "The Pewter Party in Fact."
@MarcusTullius wrote:
"Since when do we need Europe to help us with anything? We pulled British chestnuts out of the fire in WWII, saved France and rebuilt Germany and Italy."
Ignorance is not only a sin, but a crime. We needed France in the American revolution. And, unlike the French who ran to our aid, when we were fighting the British, we did not run to France's aid when it was occupied by Germany. In fact, not until Pearl Harbor did we intervene. In the interim, Britain held the Germans at bay. When the Americans entered, the German blitz on Britain was nearing its end. Lets not forget the Russians and their sacrifices and achievements. Russia, is considered by some, even more important to the allied victory than the US. Read. Learn. Analyze.
Smitty Q wrote:
"MarcusTullius @0958am: "You prefer to get your misinformation from left wing propaganda outlets that are surrogates for POTUS Obama such as MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, and NPR."--Good work, comrades, now Fox News and World Net Daily are the last obstacles to our glorious socialist takeover of America! Marcus, thanks for unintentionally giving my office the best laugh of the morning!"
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Is your office located at NBC Universal headquarters at 30 Rock in midtown Manhattan? But thanks for confirming liberals consider FOX News the only TV/cable media outlet that dares to provide the conservative point of view.
bnicholas wrote:
"Ignorance is not only a sin, but a crime. We needed France in the American revolution. And, unlike the French who ran to our aid, when we were fighting the British, we did not run to France's aid when it was occupied by Germany. In fact, not until Pearl Harbor did we intervene. In the interim, Britain held the Germans at bay. When the Americans entered, the German blitz on Britain was nearing its end. Lets not forget the Russians and their sacrifices and achievements. Russia, is considered by some, even more important to the allied victory than the US. Read. Learn. Analyze."
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Why would we run to France's aid in 1940 when the Vichy government was voluntarily sending their Jews to German concentration camps?
The Soviets had a pact with Hitler and divided up Poland with Germany before Operation Barbarossa in 1941. What choice did the Soviets have but to fight Germany when they stopped them at Stalingrad? Hitler and Stalin were two sides of the same coin. Hitler had nothing on Stalin in the brutalization of civilians during and after WWII.
Stop reading Soviet propaganda and try educating yourself on the actual events of history.
pallas_athena wrote:
@MarcusTullius wrote:
"Since when do we need Europe to help us with anything? We pulled British chestnuts out of the fire in WWII, saved France and rebuilt Germany and Italy."
Well, we needed help from Europe in Iraq wars I & II, the war in Afghanistan, and in the successful attempt to hem in Qadaffi. We could not have gone into Iraq II without Great Britain & some other European countries. Sure we could have taken down Saddam on our own, but imagine the aftermath with fewer countries sending troops.
As to pulling the "chestnuts out of the fire in WWII" that was 67 years ago!
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What? The Europeans had much interest in the Gulf War I and II and they volunteered to protect their interest in the region. The war in Afghanistan and Iraq is a NATO country coalition mission. No country comes close to the U.S. 90,000 troops in Afghanistan.
What is the fact that GB was saved from a certain fate in WWII by the U.S. have to do with the number of years that have passed since that time? The only military engagement since WWII Britain did not require U.S. assistance was during the Falkland War.
Thank god the Navy and Army have to operate with the facts on the ground, and not political rabble rousing. This was Milocovic's tactic in the Bosnian Conflict. And, lest you forget, the Coalition of the Willing, in recent conflicts were a bunch of small countries that the Bush/Cheney agenda rounded up saying they had a Coalition of "Some Number" of nations. It was a joke and the whole world knew it. How did you get left out? Were you educated about the Civil War in Virginia? We will just have to excuse you then, won't we? We know there are lots of Virginian's still fighting that war and taking postured stances. It is what the Fox Hunting Crowd does, and does so well. Why do you think they have a channel named after them and little 'jockeys' running around and doing their bidding? And they do it so charmingly, don't they? Shucks! Even George Allen has acquired their traits, dress, etc. I just don't know if they let him around their dogs and horses, even today. They didn't back in the '70's, but they cow-towed to the moolah from the Redskins. But, black or white, we all know we are Maccaca's to him. And since he was a quaterback, I know he knew what signalling was about. Plausible deniability is always in force.
Why is a smart, intelligent, and stately person like Huntsman a side show in this primary? The only thing Perry touts is his faith. How sad is that! The US is facing economic, military, environmental challenges and the Republicans are choosing their next Ayatollah. Do Republicans not understand the difference between democracy and theocracy?
Can't wait till Hispanics, who are mostly Catholic, reach majority. Then, as the majority, they can seek candidates who want to submit to the Vatican and codify their beliefs in our laws.
The fact that religion plays such a part in American politics is shameful and evidences a backward, provincial, and fairly unenlightened population. I say this as a Catholic who is able to separate government and religion because I understand they have different tenets and serve different purposes. I am not going to my church and demanding the church institute elections for priest and other religions have minority rights protection in the church. Those are democratic principles, not religious. But then, most Americans dont even understand the tenets that make a democracy...they only know the word.
bnicholas wrote:
"Why is a smart, intelligent, and stately person like Huntsman a side show in this primary?"
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Aside from the fact that he was a POTUS Obama ambassador, his candidacy is only about procuring his daughters a TV gig.
bnicholas wrote:
"Ignorance is not only a sin, but a crime."
Then you are the criminal.
"In fact, not until Pearl Harbor did we intervene. "
The US was at war for MONTHS before Pearl Harbor. Brush up on your history, bnicholas. Look up USS Kearny, USS Greer, USS Reuben.
Then read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_American_shots_fired_in_World_War_II
bnicholas wrote:
"Why is a smart, intelligent, and stately person like Huntsman a side show in this primary?"
Because he comes off as an egotistical jerk, that's why.
bnicholas wrote:
"I say this as a Catholic who is able to separate government and religion because I understand they have different tenets and serve different purposes. "
So are you eschewing your tax deductions for charitable donations, or practicing hypocrisy? It's a simple "yes" or "no" question, bnicholas.
Hopefully in November 7th someone will finally put a stake through the teaparty and be done with 'em.
"It's hard out there for a tea partier.
The upstart conservative movement was all the rage in the summer of 2009, and channeled that energy into a wave of victories in the 2010 midterm elections, sending dozens of hard-line, intransigent Republicans to Congress. However, a new CNN/ORC poll shows that the pendulum of public opinion has swung away from the tea party.
Just 28 percent of Americans hold favorable views of the tea party, an all-time low in the 19 months that CNN/ORC pollsters have gauged Americans' feelings about the movement. At the same time, 53 percent of Americans think poorly of the tea party, an all-time high. According to CNN/ORC, the movement's popularity peaked in the spring of 2010, when 38 percent of Americans said they liked the tea party and only 36 percent said they didn't.
CNN's polls aren't the only ones to pick up a decline in support for the tea party. In a pair of Pew Research Center polls conducted in February 2010 and August 2011, disapproval of the tea party jumped from 18 percentage points; the percentage of those who said they liked the movement increased from 33 to 36 percent. Washington Post-ABC and Wall Street Journal-NBC polls also found declining support for the tea party from 2009 to 2010."
MarcusTullius wrote: "Since when do we need Europe to help us with anything? We pulled British chestnuts out of the fire in WWII, saved France and rebuilt Germany and Italy."
It's unfortunate that we have people as ignorant as Marcus writing on topics like this. The fact is that the German military was, for the most part, defeated by Russia -- the part played by the U.S. and western Europe was basically a side show (except that the U.S. companies raked in fabulous profits selling military stuff to the rest of the world). The right has sold Americans this garbage that the U.S. "won" WWII and the rest of the world played a minor role in the name of "American Exceptionalism". Pathetic!
Mike Larson:
Right on the money.
The Soviet Union lost over 10 million, men, women and children defeating the Nazi's. When America made the landings at Normandy, we were up against second stringers. Not to demean or attempt to minimize the loss of American lives at D-day, but the notion that we defeated the German army is beyond silly. By 1944 most of the German army was tied down on the Eastern front. Which is what made our advances through France to easy.
And as you correctly state, American companies were rewarded hansomly after WW2 for helping to rebuild the ruin that we left Europe in.
And don't speak too soon john.....Boehner is about to dump the Tea Party during the upcoming payroll tax cut deal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/john-boehner-payroll-tax-cut-te...
The TP's unpopularity is causing the GOP to rethink things.
"jim davis wrote:
When the media purposefully takes a snippet of a candidate's comment to present it out of context, (a) it's not a 'gaffe' as your panel member suggests, but a distortion, and (b) it's a sign of integrity that the original speaker would come back and reiterate the original comment and emphasize that he says what he means and thinks. I value that.
BTW, I shop my auto and home insurance every year, and I too 'fire' the company that didn't provide me good service the previous year. Don't see anything wrong with it. Most Americans don't.
January 13, 2012 - 10:49 am"
Millions of Americans driven from their homes, Millions more forced to walk the Streets looking for a job, any sort of job or forced to rely on Unemployment Compensation, regarded by the Right as undeserved handouts, to feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads.
Attempts to help these people regarded by Romney as, "the bitter Politics of envy" and, "resentment of Success"
ENVY????
In a righteous Society, Romney, like Marie Antoinette, would be bouncing along in a Tumbrel on his way to the Guillotine
You, the Media, the Panel and Commentors have, as usual, entirely missed the point.
Have we lost any semblance of decency?
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"Mike Larson wrote:
MarcusTullius wrote: "Since when do we need Europe to help us with anything? We pulled British chestnuts out of the fire in WWII, saved France and rebuilt Germany and Italy."
It's unfortunate that we have people as ignorant as Marcus writing on topics like this. The fact is that the German military was, for the most part, defeated by Russia -- the part played by the U.S. and western Europe was basically a side show (except that the U.S. companies raked in fabulous profits selling military stuff to the rest of the world). The right has sold Americans this garbage that the U.S. "won" WWII and the rest of the world played a minor role in the name of "American Exceptionalism". Pathetic!
January 13, 2012 - 1:55 pm"
"Teece Bowman wrote:
Mike Larson:
Right on the money.
The Soviet Union lost over 10 million, men, women and children defeating the Nazi's. When America made the landings at Normandy, we were up against second stringers. Not to demean or attempt to minimize the loss of American lives at D-day, but the notion that we defeated the German army is beyond silly. By 1944 most of the German army was tied down on the Eastern front. Which is what made our advances through France to easy.
And as you correctly state, American companies were rewarded hansomly after WW2 for helping to rebuild the ruin that we left Europe in.
January 13, 2012 - 2:00 pm"
Thanks, Guys. I was going to respond, but it gets tiresome, putting Truth before these people is like trying to teach a Pig to read. Once programmed, they are simply impervious to change.
I would add 2 things-
1.)Don't overlook the influence of the Chinese People, without whose suffering and courage, we might equally well have lost the War.
2.)The instant the War was over, we turned on our former Allies and rebuilt our former Enemies.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"Hopefully in November 7th someone will finally put a stake through the teaparty and be done with 'em."
Fairly violent rhetoric there, Teece. Better not let Debby Wassermann Shultz hear you!
Even assuming that a CNN poll would be anywhere near accurate (which I don't) do you think that what the rest of the country thinks of the Tea Party is going to influence how they vote?! Too funny!
You sound like Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the Dems two years ago when they talked about the TP as astro turf and a "fad".
No, on the contrary, the distain that the left shows for the TP and their vain attempts to marginalize the TP is what tells me they still fear them. If they didn't, the TP wouldn't get the time of day from the left.
"Mike Larson wrote:
"It's unfortunate that we have people as ignorant as Marcus writing on topics like this. The fact is that the German military was, for the most part, defeated by Russia -- the part played by the U.S. and western Europe was basically a side show (except that the U.S. companies raked in fabulous profits selling military stuff to the rest of the world).
Teece Bowman wrote
"And as you correctly state, American companies were rewarded hansomly after WW2 for helping to rebuild the ruin that we left Europe in.
mchaun wrote:
1.)Don't overlook the influence of the Chinese People, without whose suffering and courage, we might equally well have lost the War.
2.)The instant the War was over, we turned on our former Allies and rebuilt our former Enemies.
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@ mchaun, Mike Larson & Teece Bowman.
All of your non-sequitor posts have zero to do with the facts that the U.S. pulled British chestnuts out of the fire in WWII, saved France and rebuilt Germany and Italy. Perhaps you could show me where I said the U.S. defeated Germany single handedly. As far as being rewarded " hansomly,", the Soviet Union took over several countries they did not have before WWII as well as nearly half of Germany. The Soviets stopped being our allies long before WWII ended. They bugged FDR's room at Yalta, They didn't repatriate American airmen that landed in their country. They stole a B-29 and reverse engineered it. They stole Atomic weapon secrets. The British fought Communists in Greece during WWII in 1944 . What did the Chinese have to do with the war in Europe?
I'm sure the three of you are lamenting the break-up of the former Soviet Union. Do you all have a 8x10 glossy of Stalin over your beds?
@Marcus Tullius
Now, Now. Boys will be boys. Stalin had his good points, too. There is nostalgia for the old way, when there was some organization and lines of authority in USSR. Our Obscene Court is trying to man the breech until the GOP get their ducks in order and puts discipline back into the system, so all we macacca's will do what we are told and not be underfoot, and bothering their little soirees, and good old boy's parties. We will come to be demoralized by their assuming that we got there by poor breeding, mismanagement of funds, and our poor schools. They need their charity write-offs to pay for their private schools, where recreation and the arts are 'de regueur' for their own offspring and money would only be wasted on the macacca's, the the soldier's spawn, the 'working class' No charity unless it is a personal one so one can wear one's designer dresses, and be seen to schmooze with those who schmooze for free. So generous. So 'noblesse oblige', don't you know.
Longfeather wrote:
"@Marcus Tullius
Now, Now. Boys will be boys. Stalin had his good points, too"
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Are you cereal? Stalin murdered 20,000,000 of his own countrymen and mchaun, Mike Larson & Teece Bowman have a man crush on him. Mussolini got the trains to run on time. What a guy!
johnandere wrote:
As much as you would like to believe that the propaganda campaign of the left against the TP has sent it "on the way out", you are in for a rude awakening on November 7th.
The GOP ran Jobs Jobs Jobs, that was there message. Since winning they have done everything possible to block job creation. I think its the GOP who's in for a rude awakening Nov.7th
Also the TP is dead when Romney is the candidate for the GOP any one can see that their influence is nonexistent.
Don't understand this. Obama has appointed somebody, William Daley as the Chief of Staff. Daley did not have relatives who were living in Tel-Aviv, and he was kicked out of town in less than a year.
Now .... we have ended up with Jacob Lew, who has relatives living in Tel-Aviv, just like Rahm Emanuel.
Why can't we have a white house and economic and foreign policy run by American's not just by people who have two passports and 100% loyal to the country of Israel, rather than America.
Not kidding .... cannot remember when was the last time somebody who did not run the Fed, Treasury, OMB, SEC or White House Economic Advisors who were not religiously not connected to Tel-Aviv.
Isn't that extremely weird????????????????????
Political analysis always seems to lag political realities by about twenty years. We should have been hearing discussions about the failings of capitalism in the wake of the Savings and Loan rip-off in the Eighties. Only now are we just starting to imagine that—well, maybe we need to question the overall social and economic value of unrestrained capitalism? It’s not like there is really any question about it; it’s more like, when are the radical neo-cons that brought it on going to stop trying to shape American opinion to the contrary, and be held accountable, so we can radically change course and move on. Capitalism ended in ’08; we are now in the realm of governments and people in the abject service of the financial industries and owners of capital, with democratic power concentrated in the private ownership of a government subservient to the interests of high finance. The time to question the efficacy of laissez-faire capitalism is past. We should now be talking about dismantling our corporate state and restoring democracy to people, by expanding a productive public sector and nationalizing whole (oligopolistic) industries if necessary. We don’t need to trash capitalism. Ironically, we will enhance free enterprise and productive capitalism if we force it into a democratic framework, which means restoring the steeply progressive income tax structure we once had. We do need to acknowledge the problem that got us here in the first place, though, just to get to first base.
ndbltwy wrote:
"The GOP ran Jobs Jobs Jobs, that was there message. Since winning they have done everything possible to block job creation. I think its the GOP who's in for a rude awakening Nov.7th
Also the TP is dead when Romney is the candidate for the GOP any one can see that their influence is nonexistent."
Sorry, the GOP did everything it could to block the creation of government jobs, government jobs, government jobs.
It is the private sector that creates growth - NOT the government. Why is that such a hard concept for progressives to understand? Tax money pays for government workers. That money comes out of the pockets of tax payers. That leaves less money for the private sector. It is a zero sum game. Simple.
It's been barely 1 year since the TP revolution. How soon liberals forget. The TP is far from dead. Don't you see? They had profound impact with OBAMA as President. They will have MORE impact with a Republican in that office next January - even if it is Romney.
Try thinking past the end of your wishful-thinking, partisan nose for a change.
January 13, 2012 Podcasts
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Thank you,
-- MrJM