Sexual Harassment and GOP Presidential Candidate Herman Cain
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-11-01/sexual-harassment-and-gop-presidential-candidate-herman-cain
GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain faced an onslaught of questions yesterday related to sexual harassment claims made in the late 1990’s. The National Restaurant Association allegedly paid two female employees to settle harassment complaints against Mr. Cain who was, at the time, head of the trade group. He first denied the report and then said he’d been falsely accused: Join us to talk about what the allegations may mean for Herman Cain’s presidential prospects and current perspectives on the issue of sexual harassment.
Guests
Emma Coleman Jordan
professor of law at Georgetown University.
John Harris
editor in chief, politico.com; author of "The Survivor" and co-author of "The Way to Win."
Erica Salmon Bryne
Erica Salmon Byrne
senior vice president, compliance advisory services and assistant general counsel, Corpedia Inc, an ethics, compliance and risk assessment consulting company.
Ruth Marcus
columnist and editorial writer, The Washington Post.
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And one more thing ...
These were two unsubstantiated allegations ... in FORTY YEARS of Herman Cain being in the workplace and in positions of authority. Sexual harrassers are REPEAT offenders.
HATCHET JOB. WITCH HUNT. HI-TECH LYNCHING.
Diane - I would have thought better of you. You usually bring divergent opinions to your news program which is why I enjoy it so much. However, your panel in this discussion was all one sided. Having Anita Hill's counsel as a speaker really demonstrated your bias in this story. What would you expect her to say about Herman Cain. If you are going to bring on Anita Hills counsel then please bring in another opinion. I am disappointed to say the least.
Ecgberht: Nice try, my friend, but Mr. Cain hasn't been the Supreme Allied Commander in the largest war in our history. In addition: Lincoln was a Congressman from Illinois, Washington was the lead General commanding our troops in the Rev. War, and JQ Adams was a distinguished US diplomat, the son of a President of the US and was a Senator and a Congressman (as they say, "Hello!").
Also, I don't like the 999 Plan because it is tremendously regressive, giving a huge tax break for the rich and a huge new tax for the low income (they don't pay Fed taxes now, and a consumption tax famously hits the poor much harder than anyone else). It doesn't pass the sniff test, not even close.
netstoyou wrote:
"Ecgberht: Nice try, my friend"
I thought we were talking PRE-Presidential elected experience. All of these had NONE prior to be elected President (save Lincoln, but it was not executive experience). Washington and Eisenhower had executive experience, but were not elected to their posts. Cain also has executive experience, it's just in the private sector. If you think none of those skills transfer, fine, but I don't agree.
The point is this; we have had Presidents from a wide variety of backgrounds many without political experience. I would not consider military commanders to have political experience in the way we traditionally think of it (though it is more of a political position today than it used to be).
Herman Cain has VASTLY more executive experience than BHO, there's just no denying that. In my opinion, he's qualified. Again, I think it comes down to whether you trust the man's judgment or not in a particular situation. I see him as a conservative guy with good judgment so far.
Meant to include this in the previous post:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_...
"Also, I don't like the 999 Plan because it is tremendously regressive"
Again, I don't agree. He has already ammended to 909 for some so that those poorer folks will pay NO income tax. As for the sales tax, purchase of used goods has no tax on it. I think it should be ammended to exclude food and medicine as well, but that's another topic. It adds a consumption tax to people who buy new stuff. I think that's a good thing. It will give a whole new life to eBay and Craigslist and I think that's a good thing. We are too wasteful in this country and this just might reduce the amount of perfectly good stuff going into the landfill. Heavy majorities in house and senate would be needed to ammend the amounts so that argument is specious (I'm not saying you made that argument but some have).
The biggest thing though is that it simplifies the tax code and ELIMINATES subsidies and favors to specific interest groups. To me, anyone opposed to doing that ... well, you've just showed me where you're coming from (and I don't mean you specifically).
ecgberht wrote:
netstoyou wrote:
"Ecgberht: Nice try, my friend"
I thought we were talking PRE-Presidential elected experience. All of these had NONE prior to be elected President (save Lincoln, but it was not executive experience). Washington and Eisenhower had executive experience, but were not elected to their posts.
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November 1, 2011 - 2:42 pm
ecgberht wrote:
Ladyingreen wrote:
"but is not qualified to be president regardless of what he has or has not done. "
So what qualifies one? Previous elected office?
You mean like Washington who had none? Or Lincoln who had none? Or Eisenhower who had none? There are at least a dozen others!
Lets face it. You don't like Cain because he is black. Oh ... and a conservative. Pure and simple.
November 1, 2011 - 10:54 am
So are you admitting you were full of Cr_p when you said Lincoln had not held elected office before becoming President?
Well. brace yourself, Ignoramus, here comes another!!
"With the support of an ever-growing circle of influential friends, he (Washington) entered politics, serving (1759-74) in Virginia's House of Burgesses".
On this Blog, You are far and away the most deceitful, poorest informed, and always willing to make up or say anything to slip out of the countless traps your big mouth gets you into.
And I suspect a Racist, to boot.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"ecgberht" What evidence do you have that he had anything to do with turning around the company? About as likely as Obama having anything to do with our military finding and dealing with Osama. It didn’t keep him from taking credit for it, but thank god he at least stayed out of their way. Have you listened to Cain speak? And if you are going to answer a question I presented with information that wasn’t presented anywhere which is why I asked, how about telling us where you got it. "they left voluntarily sometime later" really? Where did you get that?
You are obviously one of the executives I am referring to rather than the peons that really make things happen. If you were one of the peons you would be well experienced that success happens in spite of executives like Cain, not because of them. But they are sure good at taking the credit, which is what makes a politician. However we need more than just a credit nabbing politician for president, otherwise Obama would have been able to accomplish more.
"So are you admitting you were full of Cr_p when you said Lincoln had not held elected office before becoming President?"
No, I was mistaken. And said as much.
"serving (1759-74) in Virginia's House of Burgesses".
Speaking of "deceitful and poorly informed", you should, by now, know a little of your country's history - at least when it was founded.
Earth to mchaun: Independance declared in 1776. Constitutuion signed in 1787
You should also know a little about counterexamples before you start trying to sling them around.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Burgesses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Company
House of Burgesses was under the auspices of the Virginia Company and therefore James I, not the United States.
I suggested you follow the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_...
"And I suspect a Racist, to boot."
This gets you a "Flag as offensive" rating, for the benefit of Anne the board moderator.
You can "suspect" anything you want, but you can't call me that unless you have evidence. And you don't.
ecgberht
Chairman
Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain
Casca, I'm not even going to reply to most of that. It is clear you have no idea what Presidents and CEOs do. And no, I am not one of them, except I run a small business and know that the buck stops with me.
Educate yourself on Herman Cain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_cain#Career
"ecgberht wrote:
"And I suspect a Racist, to boot."
This gets you a "Flag as offensive" rating, for the benefit of Anne the board moderator.
You can "suspect" anything you want, but you can't call me that unless you have evidence. And you don't.
ecgberht
Chairman
Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain
November 1, 2011 - 5:20 pm"
Recently, one of you blockheads said that the McLaughlin Report Cast self-identified as Liberals. A Lunatic claim, but I did like the term self-identified as in-
"ecgberht
Chairman
Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain"
A Suspected Self-Identified Racist.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
Here is what You said, you slimy slippery slithering serpent and scorner of Truth-
"So what qualifies one? Previous elected office?
You mean like Washington who had none? Or Lincoln who had none? Or Eisenhower who had none? There are at least a dozen others!
Lets face it. You don't like Cain because he is black. Oh ... and a conservative. Pure and simple.
November 1, 2011 - 10:54 am"
Your assertions about Washington and Lincoln not having occupied, "Previous elected office" are crystal clear, specify no Dates, no Nations, no Offices and are 100 % wrong.
But thanks for the History lesson (Snicker, snicker)
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
Hi Monte, I'm the web producer for The Diane Rehm Show. I need to remind you that we always welcome a wide range of opinion here, but name-calling and ad hominem attacks are always inappropriate. In the future, please keep that in mind in your commenting. I have also sent messages to several other commenters on our page about this kind of post. Thank you.
"Anne Stopper wrote:
Hi Monte, I'm the web producer for The Diane Rehm Show. I need to remind you that we always welcome a wide range of opinion here, but name-calling and ad hominem attacks are always inappropriate. In the future, please keep that in mind in your commenting. I have also sent messages to several other commenters on our page about this kind of post. Thank you"
Anne:
I understand and realize what you are saying. But to single out only Monte is wrong. There are far more posters than Monte that have used questionable language far worse than name-calling. One poster on this thread used the street term for oral sex.
Please name the other people publicly that are in violation of inappropriate speech.
Thank you,
Alex
John Harris doesn't think there is a double standard in the reporting on Herman Cain. Most of the main stream media new for months that John Edwards was up to something and never said a word until the National Enquirer broke the story. Any wonder why most the American public doesn't trust the news they are getting.
"ecgberht
Chairman
Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain"
"A Suspected Self-Identified Racist."
Well, here's another little history lesson for you ... the term never came up until Grady Lee Howard used the term and you jumped on the bandwagon.
Now, I throw it back in your face with "Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain".
You see mchaun, a true racist would never support a black candidate so your charge is left completely baseless (as well as without any evidence at all) - but I suspect you already knew that.
"sarcasm: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual "
In this case, the individual would be ... well ... you.
"Anne Stopper wrote:
Hi Monte, I'm the web producer for The Diane Rehm Show. I need to remind you that we always welcome a wide range of opinion here, but name-calling and ad hominem attacks are always inappropriate. In the future, please keep that in mind in your commenting. I have also sent messages to several other commenters on our page about this kind of post. Thank you.
November 1, 2011 - 6:08 pm"
Yes, Anne, I saw the other messages.
Thanks for the tip.
Of course, no one would seriously think that a rhetorical, "slimy slippery slithering serpent", meant I was claiming that Egbert is a Herptile.
On the other hand, might not,"You don't like Cain because he is black" incline you to think less of me?
Personally, I don't like to see anyone censored. Even though I been offended many times by hurtful comments, I would never flag anyone, or in spite of remarks about our President that plumb the very depths of uncivil discourse.
You do always welcome a wide range of opinion here, but what about Truth?
These Blogs have been taken over by Outliers who plant blizzards of patently false items that go unchallenged by virtue of their volume and are often assumed true by readers.
Just today, ecgberht made statements about the Cain case that he could not possibly have known, yet there they are to be read by every Visitor to the Site.
These Commenters are impervious to correction, appeals for honesty or confirmation and the Gross National Misinformation is spreading like wildfire. This Right-wing Fifth Column is making a major contribution to the increasing ungovernablity of our Democracy.
Look at Polls that research the incredible stuff that large numbers of Americans believe!
Regards,
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
PS. You have a First-Class Archive and Search Engine that I wish NPR would adopt. My only suggestion is to put Hits in Chronological and/or reverse Chron order.
OOPS
Thanks Alex
"These Blogs have been taken over by Outliers who plant blizzards of patently false items that go unchallenged by virtue of their volume and are often assumed true by readers"
My thoughts EXACTLY mchaun!. Like THIS for instance (you might recognize it)
"... The Bushes and their Party have ... even crossed Party lines to Nominate a hopeless Black, Alvin Greene, as Democrat Candidate for the South Carolina Senate seat."
Does anyone remember the DR Show that examined not a claim of sexual harassment by a candidate for POTUS, but an actual charge of rape by a sitting POTUS when he was Arkansas AG?
Is there such a show in the DR Show archives around February 1999, when Juanita Broaddrick claimed POTUS Clinton had raped her on April 25, 1978, during his first campaign for the governorship of the U.S. state of Arkansas, at a time when Clinton was the Attorney General for the state.
ecgberht, I suspect Diane does not like the goings on here and has given the order to make things more to her liking. We can only assume what that means by our perception of her opinions as expressed on air. It does not bode well.
mchaun wrote:
"Here is what You said, you slimy slippery slithering serpent and scorner of Truth-"
Think that helps your argument at all? By the way, the proper response to Anne Stopper's rebuke was "Sorry, I won't do it again" ... rather than a string of excuses for your dishonest vitriol. (See my response to her for a good example).
"Your assertions about Washington and Lincoln not having occupied, "Previous elected office" are crystal clear, specify no Dates, no Nations, no Offices and are 100 % wrong."
Wow, brilliant analysis, mchaun! I'm sure you've been scouring my posts for months just waiting for THAT opportunity!
But nevermind. Way to focus on that tree and completely miss the forrest! I think the subject was whether, based on his experience, Cain should hold the office of President. I also said this, "The point is this; we have had Presidents from a wide variety of backgrounds many without political experience... Herman Cain has VASTLY more executive experience than BHO, there's just no denying that. In my opinion, he's qualified. Again, I think it comes down to whether you trust the man's judgment or not in a particular situation. I see him as a conservative guy with good judgment so far."
I asked you to peruse the following link, which you seem steadfastly determined not to do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_by_...
Perhaps you could pick apart other entries on the list that HAD NOT BEEN ELECTED TO OTHER OFFICE. By the way, you left JQ Adams, whom I also mention, off your list. Happy hunting!
kathleen wrote:
"As if every one who is unemployed is proof of indolence or worse.
Blaming the working poor for the huge profits being made by executive executives, jobs moved overseas etc demonstrates how low he can go."
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As opposed to the Occupy Fill In The Blank folks for blaming stock brokers for their being unemployed.
Where did Cain blame "the working poor for jobs being moved overseas?"
monte wrote:
" I suspect Diane does not like the goings on here "
I don't doubt that she is involved in trying to clean up the board. But I really don't think it's partisan. Anne Stopper has been hitting both sides equally. By the way, you realize her last rebuke was for mchaun, not you. He is also "monte".
@Anne Stopper, producer for The Diane Rehm Show
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Perhaps you confused monte with mchaun. It is understandable as both names begin with the letter "m." You can send a personal reprimand to Monte Haun at mchaun@hotmail.com
No I did not until you mentioned it. I think I will have a drink.
"ecgberht wrote:
"ecgberht
Chairman
Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain"
"A Suspected Self-Identified Racist."
Well, here's another little history lesson for you ... the term never came up until Grady Lee Howard used the term and you jumped on the bandwagon.
Now, I throw it back in your face with "Racist Tea Partiers for Herman Cain".
You see mchaun, a true racist would never support a black candidate so your charge is left completely baseless (as well as without any evidence at all) - but I suspect you already knew that.
"sarcasm: a mode of satirical wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic, and often ironic language that is usually directed against an individual "
In this case, the individual would be ... well ... you.
November 1, 2011 - 7:19 pm"
Again you demonstrate your total lack of insight.
If a prison has both Black and White prisoners and Racist White Guards, which Race will be allowed to assault, abuse or kill the other with impunity??
Several times, I have implored you to consider the treatment by Republicans of its Black "Friends", need I repeat the list of those deliberately humiliated? Just last week I had to add Judge Thomas, who is being accused of what I suppose is a Felony and this week it's Cain who is beginning to exhibit signs of serious disorientation.
Cain was hyped by the GOP to provoke the Democrats into criticizing him and allow them to go after Obama, not that the Republicans have been reticent about Race Baiting the President. As to be expected, the Democrats did not rise to the bait, being more generous and fair people. Cain is 100% expendable and your feigned respect for him will disappear as soon as the Party thinks his time is up.
Counterintuitive isn't it??
But, thanks for the lesson on Irony, don't think it qualifies as caustic though. Plus if you have to explain it, you probably failed.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
Came in late to this today....my what a ruckus!
As the day has worn on it has become clear to me that this story has been leaked by the Wall Street contingent that controls not only both parties....it is the Shadow Government. People may want to blame it on liberals, but this isn't about being liberal or conservative. This is about being rich and powerful.
This is about who Wall Street wants and they don't want Herman Cain. If they did, they would never have allowed this story to be leaked.
Wall Street controls who runs this country, and they always will. They have dirt on everyone, it's how they manage to pull the strings. It is how they can pit us against one another. They wanted Obama, and contributed heavily to his 2008 campaign....right now they want Romney.
You are all being played. But go ahead and argue with one another if it makes you feel better!
As an American Mulatto, or nigger, according to many urban blacks and American bigots, I find Hermann Cain's sex harassment quagmire more distressing than the election of Barack Obama. The euphoric glaze of the "Believers" touting the "Obama Cares" line was distressing to me in 2008 -- it's potential for blowback against people who look like Obama was high -- given the economic situation then and now. The Cain scrutiny presents more dire consequences for me culturally in America. Why? Republicans can now point to the polls before his salacious, rookie demise and proclaim they are not bigots.
Cain's a goofball whether he harasses women or not (IMO).
Romney's getting nominated.
But whoever gets nominated, get ready for a massive deluge of GOP negative campaigns adds,