Friday News Roundup - Hour 1
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-10-07/friday-news-roundup-hour-1
Employers added 103,000 jobs last month. But that was not enough to lower the unemployment rate which remained at 9.1 percent for the third straight month. In his first news conference since July, President Obama takes the offensive in support of his jobs plan. The field of Republican presidential candidates is set as Sarah Palin and New Jersey governor Chris Christie officially bow out of the running. Protests on Wall Street spark other demonstrations across the country. And fans and friends react to the death of former Apple C.E.O. Steve Jobs. A panel of journalists joins guest host Laura Knoy for analysis of the week's top national news stories.
Guests
Naftali Bendavid
national correspondent, The Wall Street Journal.
Jeanne Cummings
deputy government editor, Bloomberg News.
Chris Cillizza
author of The Fix, a Washington Post politics blog, and managing editor of PostPolitics.com.
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spam wrote:
... essentially "spam"
"The Tea Party is funded by Billionaires Koch and Pope and the movement is profoundly anti-government and pro-business to the point of fascism."
Complete BS.
"The Occupy Wall Street group is pro-government (regulations) and anti do-whatever-I-feel-like-capitalism."
The OWS was started by George Soros, the Democrat part, and the Unions. Go ahead, deny it. I have as much evidence for that as you do for the "Tea Party is funded by Koch and Pope".
The Tea Party is NOT "anti-government". It is anti-BIG government, especially big FEDERAL government, beyond what the Constitution allows. It is not "pro-business". It is pro-free enterprise, without the stranglehold of the FG via things like ACA. If you want to learn about fascism, start reading about the President's czars, the support of the left for mandated insurance, forced inoculation, on and on. THAT, my dear, is fascism.
The Bible says many things, and much of it contradictory. I prefer to look at it like Shakespeare put forth:
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,"
Teece Bowman wrote:
"The Bible says many things, and much of it contradictory. I prefer to look at it like Shakespeare ..."
Sorry, Teece, when the poster mis-represents what Christianity teaches, then the words of Jesus are germane. If you want to argue the point that Jesus taught something different, go ahead.
Oh dear, oh dear. What has happened to this country? Isn't legal procedure and a fair trial supposed to precede killing people and calling it "justice"? Think about it matey -- if Obomber takes a sudden dislike to you, you could be next.
Sorry ecgberht, even the New Testament of the Bible has glaring inacuracies in it. I am not going to try to argue what Jesus did or didn't teach with you, that would be a fools errand.
Neither one of us were there, neither one of knows....all we have is a book that purports to be what Jesus said, written by people who followed him. Books that were not even begun until many many years after his death and are now represented as the King James version of the bible. One of 1500 versions of that book.
King James is many centuries removed from the original source.
Truth of the matter is, most Christians don't have the slightest idea what Jesus said. Period.
When Steve, Al G, Billy and US made internet commercially available(wanted chrome pipes BUT mandated low bid government law then(now law for -redacted- BUT still same low quality but now high cost) required use of surplus(unUSed) paint laying around since the last war(when funding unquestioned- which war... lotsa grey and blue paint so civil war- guess thats appropriate for today.
Which IS what killed Steve. He won his battle... and so lost.
Divide between Apple have and the Mi$fortunate few(many of US) have NOTs has NEVER been greater...
Steve's dream of ultimate control(monopoly) has been achieved... by US agency -redacted-.
A man of compassion and vision... today's climate killed him. And US.
Thanks for coming... cyber Steve lives on... opposition to Project Soylent Green has been further abated...
US bringing US together to serve... Soylent Green ITs for everyone soon... universal common purpose for humanity.
US need to feel useful. Exhausted from dancing. Horse already dead. Three weeks to homeless vets(foreclosure/ eviction... will work for food or shelter. Willing to volunteer for semisecret Soylent Green facility(located next to Fort- where regional scoopers deployed).
Council of Trent, to settle 'differences', under tight control of the golden rulers, chose(under inspiration) which writings(books) to include in the 'new' testament.
About 400 AD. Of course Jesus born 2 B(efore) C(hrist) which IS confusing enough(darn devilworks).
Luckily owner's MANual usually contains directions for survival, service, AND always huMAN frailities... believe you call IT ye genetics/ conscience-conciousness.
Yes IT would be nice to actually conform to our stated ideals.
ANY experience with justice system quickly disillusioning...
look forward to return of public hangings. Very instructional.
Floggings and death by stocks makes a quick bomb look very desireable.
Many 'Christians' would be VERY upset if they knew what Jesus actually said... and did.
Friends and the faithful come closest... which puts US under the 'gun'.
And why old writings so closely guarded by ALL. Embarassing to say the least to know you've lived a life of lies...
and we are back to US mess.
Teece Bowman wrote:
"Sorry ecgberht, even the New Testament of the Bible has glaring inacuracies in it. "
If you have one you'd like to point out, I'd be happy to try to explain it to you.
"I am not going to try to argue what Jesus did or didn't teach with you, that would be a fools errand."
On that, you are correct.
"Neither one of us were there, neither one of [us] knows"
So you would throw out the history of, oh, say the American Revolution, because you weren't there? Or the Cival War because you weren't there? Or the Roman Empire because you weren't there? Did Marie Antoinette really say, "let them eat cake"? You quote Shakespeare ... did he really write those plays? You weren't there, remember?
"all we have is a book that purports to be what Jesus said, written by people who followed him. "
Yes, and while representing four different eye-witnesses, they are remarkably congruent. But we also have historians who were contemporaries and writers like Tacitus, and correspondence between Pliny the younger and the Roman emporer Trajan, Clement, Polycarp, and others as corroberation.
But, who knows:? Maybe it's just one grand conspiracy. Maybe every history book you ever read is just a grand conspiracy. You weren't there.
"believe half of what you see and none of what you hear"
~Another good quote attributable to Ben Franklin, but many have used it so who know?~
And not certain that he said it....I wasn't there. But no matter who said it, I agree with this one:
"History is a set of lies agreed upon".
~Napoleon Bonaparte~
All we have is what people are alledged to have said. As for the Revolutionary War, The Civil War or The Roman Empire?
Interesting Fables (Conspiracies) have been printed about them. The winners get to write the history, the losers never get their say....so you tell me where the truth is?
And photographic evidence.....show it to the Warren Commission.
I'd rather adopt the "fair witness" approach from Heinleins novel "Stranger in a strange land". But it would never fly in a court of law because it couldn't be monotized.
I could go on all day cherry picking quotes or alledged quotes and I would be just a far along as you would be quoting me line and verse. So don't pretend to lecture me. You can keep the Christain religion and all religion for that matter.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
~Seneca~ (maybe, eh?)
Perhaps Occupy Wall St activists find inspiration in Jobs' commencement address here:
http://brainmindinst.blogspot.com/2011/10/great-mind-is-no-more.html
Time is our most precious commodity. Use it wisely!
For the shrinking group of moderates, here's a quote from a song by Steeler's Wheel: "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right here I am.". Or as someone else interpretted this "Ronald McDonalds to left of me, Heath Ledgers to the right".
IN MEMORIAL TO STEVE JOBS
My hat is off to Steve Jobs. And there is a hole in my heart and a larger hole in the universe of our present world at his passing. May Steve Jobs bless us from above, as he did here on this mortal earth. I write my words of memorial on my own Mac computer, one of several I have been privileged to make use of for more than a decade. Just as the world has been transformed by the work of Steve Jobs, so has my own little world been transformed. Thank you, Steve Jobs.
robpates wrote:
"Oh dear, oh dear. What has happened to this country? Isn't legal procedure and a fair trial supposed to precede killing people and calling it "justice"? Think about it matey -- if Obomber takes a sudden dislike to you, you could be next."
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Here it comes. The "slippery slope" canard. You let us know when POTUS Obama decides to send drones against those he "dislikes." I'm sure FOX News would be his first target.
But since POTUS Obama did follow legal procedure, what is your point, again?
Marcus, did he follow legal procedure? did Anwar al-Awlaki have a material connection to 9/11 to justify his killing? All I read is he met some 9/11 perps in a mosque and the perps admired him for his brand of preaching.
I believe Obama overstepped, we have to respect the letter of the law especially when it comes to government action. Ron Paul is honest in his interpretation of the facts and has never shown an emotional or political bias towards any issue I know of.
Teece Bowman wrote:
"So don't pretend to lecture me. You can keep the Christain religion and all religion for that matter."
Lecture you? I would never do that! Just a little Socratic method, Teece.
Teece Bowman wrote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
~Seneca~
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"
~Jehovah~
monte wrote:
"I believe Obama overstepped, we have to respect the letter of the law especially when it comes to government action. Ron Paul is honest in his interpretation of the facts and has never shown an emotional or political bias towards any issue I know of."
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If Paul never superimposed his emotional or political bias regarding his opinions on issues he wouldn't be human. He wouldn't even be a ....libertarian! I'm not sure what you mean by being "honest" in his "interpretation" of facts.
Paul's version of "facts:"
Paul and the Student Scholars for 9/11 Truth:
Student: …"we’ve heard that you have questioned the government’s official account."
Paul: "Well, I never automatically trust anything the government does when they do an investigation because too often I think there’s an area that the government covered up, whether it’s the Kennedy assassination or whatever."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d91a13Yr3oQ
The Alex Jones show January, 2007:
CALLER: "I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 "
RON PAUL: "Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don’t have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there’s not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn’t going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on."
Paul is deep into conspiracy woo. His opinion on the legality of POTUS Obama sending in a drone to vaporize Anwar al-Awlaki is not exactly persuasive.
"roland wrote:
"banks paid back the TARP funds with interest!" Great, where was the bail-out for everybody else, where is the accountability? No, instead everybody except those who were responsible for this crisis is asked to tighten the belt some more for the next 25 years or so. The protesters are people who voted for Obama but are extremely disappointed.
October 7, 2011 - 9:26 am"
Now that the Rich have bales and bales of nearly worthless Dollars safely secured, it's time for the massive deflation that will pump up the value of those Shinplasters back up to $1.00. A 2000 per cent appreciation for those with the Bucks and crushing poverty for the rest of us Saps paying off the loans that created those Bucks with our $4.00 per Day wages.
You're wrong about Obama though, if the 99% had backed him up from the start, like they seem to be inclined to do now, we could have cleaned up more of the Sh_t left by the Bushes.
The Rats may be doing their usual blustering and threatening, but they are running scared.
Never forget, they are not Demigods, just Jew and Converso or other Anglican Bankers and Economists, Marine Corp Officer / Security Dealers, Journalist Lackies of the Kabal and the crookedest cops in the World.
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"spam wrote:
I'm sorry but your analysis which compares the Tea Party with the Occupy Wall Street movements is fundamentally wrong. The two could not be more different.
The Tea Party is funded by Billionaires Koch and Pope and the movement is profoundly anti-government and pro-business to the point of fascism.
The Occupy Wall Street group is pro-government (regulations) and anti do-whatever-I-feel-like-capitalism.
One fears government power, and the other fears corporate power"
Spam:
In case you have not heard many of those protesters are being paid to attend. That avowed Communist Van Jones is being paid to promote "Occupy Wall Street". There are even Hispanic groups that are being paid.
Like I stated last week "Rent a Mob" paid for by some Democratic contributor.
It's obnoxious how a few commentors feel like they have to attack everyone else's contribution and cannot hold themselves to less than 10 posts.
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Make a post or two about the program and stop trying to dominate this space. Seems like some of these people are just hired attack dogs. The DR site should apply some limits regardingly.
Support for both John Doe and Kathleen here. Your views are much more likely to be considered if you simply share them—offering them up for reflection—rather than trying to shove them down people’s throats, and in the name of Jesus, no less. I have to agree with Woody Allen’s perspective on that one: “If Jesus were alive today and saw what was going on in his name, he’d never stop throwing up.” I’m not particularly religious, but in my exposure to the history and teachings of Jesus, I’ve noticed that he never allowed anyone to imagine that God was on their side against others. He gave everyone cause for self-examination. A thoughtful bit about his not advocating for government or other organizations (churches, etc.) to give to the poor, but for each person to do so. I would add, however, that he did not suggest government should not do so. Does anyone suppose he would have preferred limiting government functions to warfare and crucifixion? He also said, “When the blind lead the blind, don’t they both fall in the ditch?” In any case, on to the points covered in the show; except to say that I also thought the coverage of Steve Jobs’ passing a bit overdone. American icons of entrepreneurialism are getting harder to find, I guess, and it’s a pretty handy distraction from the thousands on the street in New York, too. I couldn’t help comparing it to Howard Zinn’s passing last year, who barely got a line in the media, and whose great book, “A People’s History of the United States” covers the causes behind much of the divisiveness in America dating back to its founding, and on this very site. Of course, if you’re committed to the Ann Coulter, Ayn Rand, and ditto-head crowd, it probably wouldn’t work for you.
I was informed to learn that Obama’s jobs bill included a program that utilized unemployment benefits to be used to train workers for companies who agree to hire them, which is another way of saying that corporations would be getting subsidized, essentially free labor (the Radical Socialist in progress). And Republicans don’t like it? What would they prefer, concentration camps? Personally (and here’s one example of a plan for a public alternative), I would expand community college programs to have them include free apprenticeship or trade programs (with Fed subsidies, that is); competing with secondary (private, for-profit) schools and researched (as in, industrial policies) to provide for fields which are or may be in demand. Take chef school. The S.F. Culinary Academy charges over $30K to train. That’s patently absurd. Train students for free and either allow graduates to open up their own restaurants or require businesses to pay for their labor. Wall Street and secondary educational institutions won’t like that idea, of course, which brings me to the focus of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Perhaps there is a bit too much emphasis on theatrics and not enough on specifics and substance, and still much confusion about where to begin. Government vs. Wall Street is difficult to weed through because there is so much Wall Street in government, with regulatory agencies captive to the industries they are supposed to be regulating. If I had one message to give, my placard would read: Reinstate Glass-Steagall and End Too Big to Fail—now. It’s not everything, but a good place to start.
"John Doe wrote:
It's obnoxious how a few commentors feel like they have to attack everyone else's contribution and cannot hold themselves to less than 10 posts"
Cut and Paste from last week's Friday Roundup.
First, John Doe, you are not the "Board Police". This is a place for fair and open discussion. Sometimes it gets heated. If you can't stand it, what did Truman say?
Second, the carrot for gbloper. You are right on with reinstating Glass-Steagall and eliminating Too Big to Fail. I've been saying that here for a long time. It protects the citizen (the Federal Government's ACTUAL job) and lets market forces work.
Third, the stick for gbloper. You said, "trying to shove them down people's throats, and in the name of Jesus, no less". First, facts straight. "MsgtVance" brought up Jesus (i.e. Christianity), I didn't. What am I supposed to do, just sit here and let him/her misrepresent what Jesus actually taught? You said, "I would add, however, that he did not suggest government should not do so." Well, Jesus also did not say you shouldn't bend over and let monkeys fly up your butt. Should you do that? Now, do you see how goofy that argument sounds? You can't argue what Jesus "didn't teach", you have to argue what he taught. As for being "committed to Ann Coulter", when you have read "Demonic" and know what she is saying, come back and let's talk. Whether it's Jesus or Coulter, when you speak from ignorance, you just sound, well ... you know.
MarcusTullius wrote:
"Paul is deep into conspiracy woo. His opinion on the legality of POTUS Obama sending in a drone to vaporize Anwar al-Awlaki is not exactly persuasive."
I just do not see much in your examples on Ron Paul going off the rails. I see a healthy skepticism based on past cover ups or less than full disclosure by the government. Ron Paul in anything I have read or heard him say never gets on board with wild conspiracies circulating through the public but understandably wonders what is not being told to us about obvious failures in the CIA or FBI or any other government agencies. Just look at the crap going on with Holder at DOJ about Fast and Furious. Am I wrong? anyone else want to comment on this?
The mention of democrats being a better option for investigation in regards to 9/11 could be compared to the republicans looking into fast and furious, if the dems had the house there probably would not be an investigation.
Kudos ecgberth on your last post.
monte wrote:
"I just do not see much in your examples on Ron Paul going off the rails. I see a healthy skepticism based on past cover ups or less than full disclosure by the government. Ron Paul in anything I have read or heard him say never gets on board with wild conspiracies circulating through the public but understandably wonders what is not being told to us about obvious failures in the CIA or FBI or any other government agencies. Just look at the crap going on with Holder at DOJ about Fast and Furious. Am I wrong? anyone else want to comment on this?"
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Well, what government cover-up is Paul referring to about the JFK assassination? Just because Paul rails against anything to do with the government doesn't mean he is a skeptic. If he were a skeptic he would offer proof of some government conspiracy before spouting woo. Paul's 911 musings are catnip for Truthers, and fellow moonbats Rosie O'Donnell, Jesse Ventura, Charlie Sheen, James Brolin, Sean Penn, etc..
Paul saying we invited the WTC/Pentagon attacks because we bombed Iraq "for the last ten years" during debate, then backpedaling on Hannity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7d_e9lrcZ8&feature=related
Why is Paul running, again, as a Republican conservative?
monte wrote
"I just do not see much in your examples on Ron Paul going off the rails."
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Here is Paul on the Waco deal:
"The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians." Ron Paul House of Representatives 4-28-2
And you say he isn't emotional. He also is using hyperbole regarding the use of CS gas. Domestic police use of CS is legal in many countries, the Chemical Weapons Convention prohibits only military use.