Riots in England/ Debt Crisis in Europe
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-08-11/riots-england-debt-crisis-europe
Riots in England and deepening economic and political strains in Europe: Challenges for Britain, debt-burdened European countries and the global economy
Guests
Zoe Williams
columnist, The Guardian
Simon Nixon
reporter, Wall Street Journal
Kenneth Lieberthal
senior fellow and director of the John L. Thornton China Center at The Brookings Institution; former senior director for Asia at the National Security Council under President Clinton.
Scheherazade Rehman
professor of International Business/Finance and International Affairs at George Washington University
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There is a serious problem with minority young people in all western civilized countries. With progressive policies we financially supported a whole class of people to basically do nothing. In effect subsidizing irresponsible behavior. Without the need to work hard and better oneself you get what we have here. Unruly ill mannered disrespectful people, where the primary goal in life is instant gratification without any concern about consequence. As we see in this country the rise of the "flash mob", young white hating black people with the use of text messaging orchestrating sudden attacks in mass upon unsuspecting crowds and merchants. This just happened last week here in Wisconsin at the State Fair.
President Obama was certainly a disappointment on this front, he is aware as anyone as to the problems with black culture. Illegitimate birth rates exceeding 70%, this alone is a recipe for disaster. Without proper parental guidance and the setting of examples of responsibility by the entire community we have a time bomb of civil unrest.
We as a country need to get back to basic moral values. Where it is not acceptable for out if wedlock births, where it is not acceptable to rely on government handouts for life. These behaviors were once scorned by society as unacceptable and should be so again. As far as I see it we better get a handle on this problem or were going to have a race war.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/8545-philadelphia-milwaukee-c...
Do you hear US yet?
Bring back the wheel. Restore the stocks and scaffold to the main square. Proved efficient before.
Our greatest threat(besides all bullock opinions) is US- or at least the surplus population.
Rich or poor, selfish or sharing, they do seem a bit like US.
And just US (justice?)-
a dish best served COLD.
Suppose you will be wanting your internet back now- yes we see that proceeding as well(LOLOL).
Although prior decorated service WAS accused of being terrorist(if they REALLY knew) for saying 9-11 terrorists no different then any other small group of criminals- or governments- which tries to act in the best possible manner(ALWAYS involving self-interest).
And our old criminal justice system capable of handling IT(more creeped OUT by some longterm inmates that enjoy cannabilism(bRAIns- MORE brains)- and even more creeped out by large numbers of other
incarcerated Americans- BTW you ARE going to need MORE prisons(odd richest-greatest-most Christian nation)) can afford THAT BUT still cannot afford to teach, house, feed, or heal ALL their own taxpayers($10000 saves creating another two inmate @ $25000 per inmate per year(2008). COST may be higher today- inmates are still being fed pending Soylent project(think we jest, do we?)?
Act fast (God we are leaderless and in deep elimination) as offer for limited time ONLY!
Club, gang, associations, congregations, nations, or Nations, ALL can be a short walk to mindless mobs(some took the bus and are ALREADY waiting for the rest of US).
Nature of the beast. And NEVER, EVER, underestimate the power of stupidity in large groups.
Remember minions, when the savage natives rub blue mud onto their bellybuttons, IT is vital to emulate them.
We did not, lost careers(2003) and became 'terrorists'. Er- criminals?
Darn prisons goonie- gonna COST more due to 'downgrade'; IT is OK- higher costs mean larger profit margins right? RIGHT?
What next step brave new Republibags? AND yes analysis shows dumping or crashing world will be profitable AND reduce the excess population AND permit regaining TOTAL control of government(at least of whats left and safe to visit).
Radical extreme religious left WILL 'capture' the nation. We predict their policies WILL also drive ever so many more to prayer. Win?
And the old laws they want to institute(10 commandments- which they proclaim while pushing capital punishment AND fearing hating muslims as well- are known in older tongues as torah(law) and sharia(!)).
God (and US) DOES have sense of humour. We rejoice and offer to share our brains. Savour US and reflect on your own humility, obediance to God and country, and anonymous charitable work(gets MOST points according to old law).
What Congress REALLY needs- MORE BRAINZ! (And what did they do with Obama's vertebrate?)
Must have been replaced by clowns- er- clones- no wait first correct(whew almost ruined record of perfection AND brevity).
We applaud our fellow less learned witnesses...
on behalf of plaintiff we urge our Lord's attention to clause ONE, chapter 8, subparagraph Catch-22 and les miserables convent pursuant to your blessings O Great ONE...
if IT pleases Yahweh, Jevohva, or Allah as IT may please the court or kingdom come...
man, and woman, having freely violated YOUR law AND having willfully submitted to aforementioned document- to witness and acclaim, fame and./or fortune to bequeth our very soul for the former listed reasons...
We beg our Saviour's consent to begin immediate forceful collection of said lost souls... feel free to stand by and watch/ and/or help.
We await your desire Sire.
As always, faithlessly, your earthbound servant d'EVIL servant de Sabot.
Let the collections commence.
Now hiring- ALL levels of society.
The left is really on the ropes, they have been reduced to the babbling incoherent double spaced garbage we see here everyday. It is so fitting you have the leader you have, there is indeed some justice in this world. Thank you President Obama for putting the liberal progressive agenda on fast forward, now we can all see how worthless and destructive it is.
Thanks for that monte. I posted this on a different board in September of 2009.
" I predicted before the start of the last election season that Pelosi and Reid would both be out. If the Dems had a brain between them, they would have. To paraphrase Mark Twain with regard to the Republican Party, "rumors of [its] demise have been greatly exaggerated". Now don't get me wrong, the Dems had the Republicans down with a knife at the throat. The only hope the Republicans and Conservatism had is that the Dems would not learn from recent history and make the same mistakes. Guess what? They didn't learn. (Perhaps it's because liberals are stupid). They have made all the same mistakes of conceit and arrogance. So has BHO. He, Nancy, and Harry may be the best things that ever happened to Conservatism when they could have obliterated it. They could have easily moved the country from right of center to left of center with a little reasonableness and compromise. 2010 may be the most important election in American history. It would be normal for the left to give up seats of course, it just depends on how many and who. My only concern is if BHO loses too many seats, he may try some kind of coup between 2010 and 2012. And that, BTW is not black helicopter. Don't think, "it can't happen here". This is reality. Know the man's history. Know who is friends are. And know that HE (and his ideology) are the most dangerous threats to freedom and democracy in our nation's history. "
I saw the following on The Globe and Mail and cannot help but recognize the irony: "British Prime Minister David Cameron told parliament said the government is looking at whether there should be limits on social media sites like Twitter and Facebook if they are being used to spread disorder."
David Cameron joined in with other Western leaders to support the use of social media in the Arab Spring, where social media was used to spread disorder in dictatorships, and we all supported it. Now, there is disorder in his country-a country where police have the Orwellian authority to watch the entire population whenever they leave their home on CCTV, etc.-and now PM Cameron is calling for censorship of social media when its use affects him. His convenient change of opinion on social media is disappointing. The West has laws on slander and liable for a reason; there is no excuse for censorship in the civilian world.
Is the bleak outlook that basically there aren't enough jobs really true? Thus separating society into two social classes of the Haves and Have Nots. If this is the case, is it better to tax the one and give to the other or pay the under class to build government infrastructure?
I am not convinced that the riots in London and environs were connected to the global economic conditions. Are teens as young as 11 years old that sophisticated? My first thought was "A Clockwork Orange." It sounds as if it was initiated from racial/police tension and then escalated into street gangs and mob kinetics.
Bravo, Trex.
This is akin to Cameron saying, "We've f'd up, so now we have to keep people from telling each other"!
When socio-economic system stops serving the society, this is the logical outcome. This is why dog-eats dog capitalism of XIX century had created so much mayhem in both XIX and XX century. British are just first to implement draconian budget cuts targeting the middle class and poor.
"from 2002 to 2007, out of every three dollars of national income growth (in US), the top 1% captured two" (Atlantic - Can the middle Class Be Saved).
Dianne, I am English married to an American and have lived here for 28 years. I am absolutely horrified to hear what is going on in the UK. I spoke to friends and family members yesterday. Only one in Birmingham was really depressed. But I discovered that there is a mob mentality in action here. Not all the rioters were/are unem[ployed. Some have jobs. Some are students and the stated reasons for their actions have been simply toflout authority and get away with it. Many absolutely believe that they are entitled.
Qe 3, what a jOke!
Until we put an end the fiat currency money system, this discussion is all just bla, bla, bla,
The real problem is an economy dedicated to the rise of investment as an industry. Publicly held companies have been dedicated to unsustainable levels of profit for more than 56 years. In order to provide this level of profit, these companies have turned to globalism. Globalism destroys reasonable paying manufacturing jobs in developed countries and replaces them with inadequately paying jobs in a "service economy". This transition destroys the consumer base.
Britain has led us in this transition by about 9 years. It was driven by a strong postwar labor movement. Naturally this revolutionary activity would start there. It will begin here fairly soon, though.
Until business profits are constrained to less than 9% annually, this instability will continue.
We must recognize that the purpose of an economy is to provide a means of making an adequate living for workers in a single nation. Until all workers are at peer income levels, globalism is gradual economic and social suicide.
We must recognize that globalism, always a bad idea for the majority of people in a developed economy, must be stopped and reversed. All countries must produce 70% of their own needs to remain healthy. The U.S. currently produces less than 24%.
Brazil, paradoxically, is producing more than 73% and is now considered to be one of the few healthy economies.
I called in to the show today and posed a question regarding China's housing bubble. I referenced a video I saw on Hubski. Below is the link to this video. Enjoy:
http://hubski.com/pub?id=791
"Unruly ill mannered disrespectful people, where the primary goal in life is instant gratification without any concern about consequence."
This is also an apt description of exurban-sprawling, extavagent home-building, gas-guzzling, hyper-materialistic US conservatives (especially a great many of their over-indulged progeny), who then often add fuel to their hypocritical fire by professing to be "moral".
Accepting/excusing selfish, wanton, boorish behavior without consideration of the impact on others - as long as it's financed by a paycheck instead of a welfare check - is the pathetic, over-simplified definition of "freedom" (or "rights") employed by the least-capable thinkers among us.
Selfishness is not a trait that belongs solely to conservatives. Be careful not to paint in too broad of strokes. I've seen plenty of Obama/Biden stickers on SUV's. There are good and thoughtful people on both sides of the aisle.
I saw plenty youths acting out in the pictures of the unrest. The violence we witness here appears to be a consequence of great social abandonment in a critical period of child development. The experience with Romanian orphans tells us that such abandonment affects brain development deeply, leading to profound deficits in anger management later in life.
Read more here: http://brainmindinst.blogspot.com/2009/10/absolutes-relatives-brain-imag...
Just wanted to add a link to the story I mentioned on-air.
http://www.marshallbrain.com/robotic-nation.htm
[I'm Roy, from Dallas]
This is a serious issue for the future economy. The guest who responded to me said this global economy had done a great job creating wealth, which is true, but it's also greatly expanded who benefits from that wealth. When there is such close proximity between the ultimate beneficiaries and those cast aside by the same system, tension is the natural result.
donholl wrote:
"Unruly ill mannered disrespectful people, where the primary goal in life is instant gratification without any concern about consequence."
"This is also an apt description of exurban-sprawling, extavagent home-building, gas-guzzling, hyper-materialistic US conservatives (especially a great many of their over-indulged progeny), who then often add fuel to their hypocritical fire by professing to be "moral"."
"Accepting/excusing selfish, wanton, boorish behavior without consideration of the impact on others - as long as it's financed by a paycheck instead of a welfare check - is the pathetic, over-simplified definition of "freedom" (or "rights") employed by the least-capable thinkers among us."
So you are comparing these rioting, looting, property destroying scum to suburbanites?
By the way when it comes to charitable giving, it is a fact that the most generous givers are conservatives.
The eleven and twelve year old just wanted to belong?
We understand.
We miss civilized society too... BUT they have no memories to rely on. Gather round the fires children and we'll talk of when we had open and free communications... printed words of papers and books... libraries AND shared knowledge for everyones benefit- NOT just of the eightmegacorpse(tehe) and the desire to try and make literate ALL for mutal benefit.
Clamping down on communications... stating publicly a bit of shocker BUT the process has reached that step(missed a few meetings).
Actual cause riots was censor and closure of legal and illegal files stored in newzbin(coming also to US).
Those preteens wanted their digital Dora's back, the rest their pawnedporn, and a few family photos and songs... no wonder they are TENSE. Was intents once ourselves(teehee).
Now Naytion at crysis,,, would have preferred Greek style(Ceasar style?) via six week per year vacations, healthcare, and retirement at 50!
Instead last thirty years plus(minus current longterm uncounted unemployment due to whistleblowing terrorism- would have been retired already and rancider IF in Grease) butt HERE 'spent' life without weekends, vacations, or health with just a foreclosure notice to show for IT.
We could have used a vacation.
Correction''mobile' home' paid for... FOR SALE- ten year old GM autoproduct- sleeps none comfortably.
Hiring- 'protection' racket('security'), recreation delivery racket(drugs and sex), and virtual self-masticators(we know WHO you ARE- the one(s) using teeth the vorsterest)). (All black market unpaid tax 'new' economy jobs- of course).
Sounds familiar... that and prisons growth fields.
After arresting ALL responsible(except monied interests of course) CANNOT wait for the 'first' timers release from lockup. They'll have learned how to be better thugs like US.
First, leave no WITNESSES, but sir IT was only littering(1/2 a ton of garbage and instead of bringing that pile up(at bottom of cliff) we threw
ours down)... as you can see by the aerial drone photography and captured cellshots(careful to edit police as IT becomes illegal to record police images MANY places- you know to 'secure' our freedoms(from US?).
monte wrote:
"By the way when it comes to charitable giving, it is a fact that the most generous givers are conservatives."
Conservatives have the cash. We are conservative/were RICH once as well. Still give of time- as now without cash.
Bit like saying rich people hate food stamps- hardly any use them.
Also giving DOWN and in previous boom times insufficient amounts to cover need... though plan to couple aid with forced infertility should work again. Nice compromise between life and death argument for excess population until Soylent project 'approved' beyond local bEtA testing.
Please, until then, keep your ill social anxiety and financial hopelessness mobs away from the 'civilized people'(you ARE supposed to trash your own neighborhood- did you not read the rules(oh can't read)). Any splashover to important neighborhoods will be met with overwhelming force despite the cost- God save the Queen- and US.
Fear, ignorance, and greed great motivators. The plan STILL works.
Yes I am, "Monte" - because you, "meangreen", "ecgbert", "cicero" and other right-wing posters on this sight constantly post (predictably) over-simplified statements that assert a "conservatives always right/progressives always wrong/all of society's ills caused by the latter" philosopical position.
The actions of the rioters are reprehensible and destructive, but so are the wreckless and selfish behaviors I brought up; they're just not as overt and immediate in their ramifications. You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone on your side of the argument acknowledging anything negative about them - replacing arable land/forests with more development so everything can be shiny and new is their perverted definition of "progress".
Since there's little chance you'll ever find anything bad to say about your end of the philosophical spectrum (conservative=dogmatic=closed-minded=unable to recognize shortcomings or reassess), I'll be sure to point out a conservative version of anything you perceive as a progressive character defect, whenever I have the opportunity.
"ecgberht wrote:
Thanks for that monte. I posted this on a different board in September of 2009.
'...2010 may be the most important election in American history. It would be normal for the left to give up seats of course, it just depends on how many and who. My only concern is if BHO loses too many seats, he may try some kind of coup between 2010 and 2012. And that, BTW is not black helicopter. Don't think, "it can't happen here". This is reality. Know the man's history. Know who is friends are. And know that HE (and his ideology) are the most dangerous threats to freedom and democracy in our nation's history.'
August 11, 2011 - 10:05 am"
Well, well, Miss Bush Boot (or worse) Licker ecgberht is back again and hot to trot!
He did lose "too many seats", but no Coup? And how will He make a Coup anyhow?
The Military is Four Square Republican from the Top to the Bottom, constantly contradicting the President while Rear Admiral "Moon" Mullins is continuing MacArthur's Plan for the complete destruction of Asia, provoking the Chinese, provoking the North Koreans even sending 23 American Service People to act as Human shields to protect the South Korean Cannons and praying they would be killed.
With the CIA, they dragged JFK into Cuba, then a F--king piece of Jarhead S__t and a GD Zionist Jew assassinated him when he complained.
Deliberately sent Americans to certain death in the Iran Hostage "Rescue" and blamed Carter.
In spite of 25,000 Marines in Somalia, sent a small party of Soldiers to certain death in Mogadishu and blamed Clinton.
Our brave and honorable Military will miss no opportunity to humiliate and disgrace Democrat Presidents.
Read the unofficial Military Blogs, they can hardly contain their contempt for the President and Liberals, in general.
So, Miss BBL, do you really expect a Coup in 2012 or are you just doin, "a little rumor mongering to stir up the mob!", of your own??
Monte Haun mchaun@hotmail.com
"He did lose "too many seats", but no Coup? And how will He make a Coup anyhow?"
Earth to mchaun. It's 2011.
Why is it always the left that spews the ad hominem and hate? When you're out of ideas, that's all ya got left.
donholl
Between your two posts, there's a lot of sterotyping going on.
"This is also an apt description of exurban-sprawling, extavagent home-building, gas-guzzling, hyper-materialistic US conservatives "
Plenty of conservatives (especially the Tea Party) are nothing of the sort.
"Accepting/excusing selfish, wanton, boorish behavior without consideration of the impact on others - as long as it's financed by a paycheck instead of a welfare check - is the pathetic, over-simplified definition of "freedom" (or "rights") employed by the least-capable thinkers among us."
That's a false choice (most hard-working conservative Americans are not "selfish, wanton, or boorish", but are generous and respectful of others), but I'll ask you anyway, How would you define "freedom", donholl?
Oh, and one more thing, mchaun, in case you think I've let you off the hook.
I'm still waiting for that "Bush Boot Licking" statement you say I made. What was that again? So far, you haven't produced it.