Drilling for Natural Gas: Rewards and Risks
http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-03-01/drilling-natural-gas-rewards-and-risks
The state of Pennsylvania is in the forefront of the current rush to extract natural gas, and it also seems to be in the middle of an increasingly contentious debate over related environmental risks. The process of extracting natural gas involves forcing millions of gallons of water deep into the earth to break up rock and release the gas. Environmentalists say that in some states, including Pennsylvania, this waste water which is often laden with heavy salts and naturally occurring radioactive materials is being improperly discharged into rivers and streams. Please join us for conversation on the risks and rewards of drilling for natural gas.
Guests
John Quigley
former secretary Pennsylvania's Department of conservation and Natural Resourses
Ian Urbina
reporter, NY Times
Tony Ingraffea
Dwight C. Baum Professor of Engineering
Weiss Presidential Teaching Fellow
Cornell University
Kathryn Klaber
president, Marcellus Shale Coalition
Amy Mall
policy analyst, Natural Resources Defense Council
John Hanger
former Secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection.
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My understanding is that many of the leases in the area where I live, upstate NY, are owned by foreign companies or transnationals, for example Statoil is owned by Norway. (Chesapeake sold many of its leases to Statoil last year.) Norway taxes its energy profits at something like 78%. And that government provides health insurance to its citizens. Tell me how this is helping my country and its citizens. Let alone that the industry has shown over and over again that regulations are broken and fines are considered a cost of doing business.
w ones as better in all areas, including value, safety and price. Some of the arguments I heard this morning and read in the comments ring of the arguments used against hybrid/electric cars: difficulty in recycling, more expensive at the outset and "it's not what I'm used to!"
The one consumer education piece that comes across as essential to me now regarding the new laws about light bulbs is: "You Still Have a Choice!" Only when people experience firsthand that some of the new bulbs can indeed meet their needs as well or better than the old style incandescent ones will they gladly buy them. Same with electric cars: when manufacturers make affordable electric cars with batteries that can easily be recycled and that can drive 150 + miles without a charge, more of us will buy them!
I am a retired science teacher who is all for reducing our energy consumption by continuing to develop new technologies that meet our needs while using less energy! After replacing the lights in our home with CFLs and LEDs, I haven't had to shop for new light bulbs for over a year and we can see that our energy bill has gone down.
People dislike changing the products they use unless they experience the new ones as better in all areas, including value, safety and price. Some of the arguments I heard this morning and read in the comments ring of the arguments used against hybrid/electric cars: difficulty in recycling, more expensive at the outset and "it's not what I'm used to!"
The one consumer education piece that comes across as essential to me now regarding the new laws about light bulbs is: "You Still Have a Choice!" Only when people experience firsthand that some of the new bulbs can indeed meet their needs as well or better than the old style incandescent ones will they gladly buy them. Same with electric cars: when manufacturers make affordable electric cars with batteries that can easily be recycled and that can drive 150 + miles without a charge, more of us will buy them!
I am a retired science teacher who is all for reducing our energy consumption by continuing to develop new technologies that meet our needs while using less energy! After replacing the lights in our home with CFLs and LEDs, I haven't had to shop for new light bulbs for over a year and we can see that our energy bill has gone down.
There are plenty of job opportunities involved with wind and solar power. There is maintenance and observation when the towers are up, and YEARS of surveying, permits, community debates, and manufacturing prior to wind tower construction. And, with the health risks involved with fracking, I don't know how anyone would choose poisoned drinking water over a lower income. I'd rather be healthy, with a less ideal job, or no job at all, than be employed and poisoned. Think that the increased amounts of respiratory and neurological diseases won't stress the economy? Think again.
There is no way to make fracking safe. If we resort to using this method, all the potable and non-potable water in the US will be contaminated, within a few years.
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Never have seen then working out in the field in South, Central, and Coastal Texas. We have miles of Wind Farms here and it sure looks lonely out there.
The big solar farm south of town repositions it self by computer but other than that there are not workers out there. Thank goodness gas prices have caused drilling to increase because in South Texas there would not be any viable employment outside of ranching or agriculture..
To the two gentlemen who asked questions about leases, I highly recommend you engage an attorney who specializes in representing surface or mineral owners. I also recommend this guidebook:
http://www.earthworksaction.org/pubs/LOguide2005book.pdf
I live in upstate ny. There are numerous reasons why fracking is wrong. Increased radon levels in water, deisel fuel and other unknown chemicals permanately contaiminating water and ground. Destruction of agricultural land, increased wear of public infrastructure repaired at taxpayer expense. Compulsory integration in NY forces landowners to join. Once the drillers arrive ( out of state workers, few natives) you lose control of your land. You can't mortagage, insure, sometimes even sell your property once leased.
They can come in at any time, build anything they want and you can't do crap! Most of the gas is going overseas, because the price is much higher. The main buyer is China! This fossil fuel drilling is only good for a few. Tax and safty exemptions are subsidizing this monster. Please visit www.gasmain.org or www.nyrad.org thank you.
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On the fracking process for natural gas broadcast tonight in the Seattle area at midnight, I heard nothing about the impact of the underground lines fracturing in various places and randomly allowing the contents to leak out into the rocky soil and the softer soil layers, and the effluent, with its hazardous material, able to find it's way through the rock cracks and soil to the various water table layers. I believe I heard a report of this failure of the underground pipe conduits on "Living on Earth" several weeks ago. Is this happening and contaminating the groundwater?
@Lisa Ann Wright--- and here's an article from a Pittsburgh paper that reaches the polar opposite conclusion of the NYT article: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11060/1128780-455.stm
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/marcellus-waste-reports-muddy-1.1111329...
Brings new meaning to "Keystone Cops".
Regulators and self-reporting gas cos (fox/henhouse) with their reporting described as a "disorganized mess."
In yesterday's discussion, I think it wasTony Ingraffea who said that the products used in fracking consisted of water "plus a few other needed additives." He said that the resulting ground water pollution was caused by the water absorbing naturally occurring contaminants in the soil.
His implication was that the fracking products are relatively benign. Those products include benzine, diesel fuel, and other industrial solvents - none of which I would consider benign.
For the industry to say that there is no connection between the fracking process and the volatile liquids that comes out of water taps in these areas is like saying there's no proven connection between smoking and lung cancer.
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