Escalating Unrest in Libya
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The 41-year rule of Libyan leader Muammar el-Quaddafi appears to be unraveling despite a brutal crackdown on protesters. Warplanes, helicopters and troops fired on crowds of demonstrators yesterday. Libyan diplomats around the globe resigned over the violence and soldiers deserted rather than kill their own people. The eastern part of the nation is reportedly under control of the protesters. And the U.N. security council is holding emergency consultations over the turmoil this morning. Libya holds Africa’s largest oil reserves and prices have risen. A look at the escalating violence in Libya.
Guests
David Schenker
Aufzien (Owf-zen) Fellow and Director of the Program on Arab Politics at the Washington Institute and former top policy aide on the Arab countries of the Levant at the Pentagon.
Robin Wright
journalist, foreign policy analyst at the U.S. Institute of Peace and the Woodrow Wilson International Center, and editor of "The Iran Primer."
Najla Abdurrahman
Libyan-American dissident and doctoral student in the department of Middle Eastern, South Asian and African Studies at Columbia University.
Asma Magariaf (May-gariff)
a DC-based Libyan American activist. She was born in Libya before her family fled the country as dissidents became hunted down by Qaddafi's regime. She has written about human rights and rule of law in Libya.
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Regarding your headline this morning:
"Escalating Unrest in Libya"
keep in mind that "unrest" is the word dictatorships use to describe opposition. Let's not put ourselves in that category, please!
The appearance of the word "unrest" in the title of today's show is certainly misleading if not outright biased against the people of Libya. "Unrest" implies a mild disturbance; while the people of Libya are engaged in a struggle for independence that can only be characterized as a revolution. Libyans are courageously fighting against a 40 year dictatorship that has used the country's military apparatus to suppress the revolutionary intentions of the people. Do you suppose that the King of England thought that the American colonists were engaged in "unrest"? If these thoughts are not convincing, then please define when "unrest" becomes "revolution".
No fly zone like in Iraq?! Coalition? Saving civilian's lives? Come on..... If someone around here has the guts to take on 9/11, then I'll consider credibility opposed to agenda.
A friend of mine whose family was forced to flee Libya because of her father's opposition to Gaddafi's policies added me to a fb group where about 2500 Libyan expats are pooling their knowledge of what's happening and debate next steps. One issue they have been talking about this morning is that state forces are supposedly removing corpses from the streets and cleaning up the city of Tripoli in order for the BBC to come and observe. Are any of your panel familiar with that?
I'm also curious about the term genocide being used here. I am quite convinced that state forces, domestic & imported mecanaries, are slaughtering the population--protracted and people simply in the street to go to market. But I have not heard any identification of which tribes or which groups are being targeted. Is it really genocide, targeted against a nation, or simply a political struggle?
A friend of mine whose family was forced to flee Libya because of her father's opposition to Gaddafi's policies added me to a fb group where about 2500 Libyan expats are pooling their knowledge of what's happening and debate next steps. One issue they have been talking about this morning is that state forces are supposedly removing corpses from the streets and cleaning up the city of Tripoli in order for the BBC to come and observe. Are any of your panel familiar with that?
I'm also curious about the term genocide being used here. I am quite convinced that state forces, domestic & imported mecanaries, are slaughtering the population--protracted and people simply in the street to go to market. But I have not heard any identification of which tribes or which groups are being targeted. Is it really genocide, targeted against a nation, or simply a political struggle?
I've been hearing these questions, in the span of my own memory, since living in Europe during the first Gulf war and the collapse of Yugoslavia: if the US takes action, everyone asks why we get involved in someone else's business. If we don't, the world demands to know why the US isn't doing something.
I hear this in every conflict and event, and now I hear the same question on your show about Libya. I'm not making a statement about the rightness or wrongness of US actions in any of these cases, but I would enjoy hearing at least some admission of hypocrisy before starting a rant about the American response - too little or too much - about a given conflict.
People must keep their own counsel. US news coverage is what it is. They know the weakness of American attention span, and how everyone absorbed the 'framed' news from Bush and Rumsfield and Cheny. Have no reason to believe anything from US. They see tea baggers. They see governor in Wisconsin. We can't handle truth is US. We can only be 'snide' and 'surprised' at the caretaking of other countries. They have been taking care of us for long time. They know our 'ways.' What we call chaos, they have been dreaming and practicing of in mind and hearts for generations of Bushes and Cheneys, and whatever comes next in America. We always expect them to thank us for gifts that are misrepresented by media and Beck and such. In the south, when a black woman told you to carry on with yourself, at least she cared enough to explain your ways were getting in the way. The chaos is in america, in Wisconsin.
Let's quit focusing on what the President of the US has or hasn't said. Issues playing out in Libya must be resolved by Libya's people. Democracy can't be imposed from the outside in, witness Iraq & Afganistan.
Yes, is deal with the devil, thru all time for 'American' interests. Same with senators who must pay back their lobbyist investors. So, I repeat, they know the 'investors' speak for America. Now, with supreme court decision, they alway will. There is no more American peoples interest, so obvious to rest of world. So we can't take true interest in anyone else people. They are taking care of self, not for American entertainment and 'heart' which is only tax writeoff for wealthy that never pay. Same in their country, who adopted american ways.
Yes, is deal with the devil, thru all time for 'American' interests. Same with senators who must pay back their lobbyist investors. So, I repeat, they know the 'investors' speak for America. Now, with supreme court decision, they alway will. There is no more American peoples interest, so obvious to rest of world. So we can't take true interest in anyone else people. They are taking care of self, not for American entertainment and 'heart' which is only tax writeoff for wealthy that never pay. Same in their country, who adopted american ways.
Someone on the show, in talking about Gaddafi, referred to him as essentially the head of Africa at one time because he was the head of the African Union - surely he jests. The head of the OAS is hardly the head of the Americas; and I would be astonished if the head of the EU is considered the head of Europe (do you think Mr. Berlusconi or Mr. Sarkozy would agree?)
So you say Khadaffi is on air now, and refusing to recognize facts on ground? So is Rumsfeld doing his media tour and US in denial. Shows networds are owned by lobbyists
Good job, Brownie. Visit Arlington some day, and other locations of Goog job, Rummy. And we are still worrying about a plane blown up over Scotland and treading over all truth on ground today. Useful to rabble rousers. Useful to lobbyists. It is called a 'revenue stream' for someone.
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Mercenaries are by nature amoral whether they are subsaharan Africans, Arabs or Europeans. Loyalty to principle or cause is rarely a consideration. So to suggest as one the guests did that African mercenaries who Ghadafi may be using are more loyal to him than they are to the interest of the Arab cause is misguided. Also, any member of the African Union like Lybia has opportunity to be president of the Union for a limited term, like the OAS or the EU. It seems there is a tone of contempt toward Subsaharan Africans from Diane's guests, especially the Lybian lady, which is unfortunate and unwaranted.
Are we beginning to see the end of radical Islam in the mid-east? OK, maybe not democracy coming alive, at least not the us brand of democracy but over-all it is beginning to look like theocracy may not be the main goal of the people in these countries. This would actually be good, to see even just a little common sense erupting over there. Oil this and oil that isn't really all that important since there truly is plenty of oil left for everyone at somewhat higher prices. I would be happy just to see a little peace and prosperity for the people who actually own this resource. Maybe the HATE knob among christians, moslems and jews can be ratcheted down a little. I can only hope these newly uncovering democracies can be at least a little secular and maybe even a bit godless. The world is ready for some peace.
Good Luck Lybia, I hope this brings you and your people some much deserved pride.
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Italy should have 200 to 500 Stinger missiles that they deliver to the freedom fighters in Libya. That would be more effective than any free fly zone effort.