State Budgets and Public Unions
In Madison, Wisconsin protesters for and against Governor Scott Walker’s plan to end collective bargaining rights for some public employees are gathering for a seventh day. State employees have already largely agreed to accede to the Governor’s demands for stepped up health care and pension contributions, but future collective bargaining rights remains a sticking point. The Republican controlled legislature hoping to vote on the Governor’s plan have been thwarted by Democratic legislators who remain out of state. Join us for discussion on the stand-off and its implications budget battles in other states and the nation’s capital.
Guests
Governor of Indiana, Republican
Director, Tax Policy Studies, Cato Institute
chief economist, AFL-CIO
president, American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees,
member of the faculty, Madison College
spokesman, Liberty Tree, a Pro-Democracy Think Tank

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I have No symphony for public workers. I know for a fact that firemen have a secret code of teaching each other how to 'game' the system by filing for Workers Comp.
They end up receiving Two payments, one for retirement and the other for their faked disability.
Let them eat cake.
The jobs in this country have been created by people willing to take risk. Unions were just there to take what they could with very little risk. If you enjoy a good job, nice lifestyle that jobs supports, you need to thank the guy that hired you and the owner of that business. America is great because of the risk takers.
So, today we got the Koch brothers three ways, directly from Governor Daniels and Mr. Edwards of the Cato Institute, and indirectly from Governor Walker. Not a one of them even tried to explain how it is that breaking the Public Employees Unions in Wisconsin is going to eliminate the deficit there. The truth of the matter is that it has nothing to do with it. The Republicans are scapegoating public employees for the problems caused by the financial collapse, and they've found a receptive audience for their demagoguery. So, they are going to keep at it as long as it pays political dividends. What was truly amazing is that Governor Daniels had the gall to complain about the influence of public workers.
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JohnMason - I used to agree with what you are saying. I am the rare non-union city employee, and I usually consider myself a democrat. The specific situations you mention indicate a need for union reform and stricter hiring policies. But, as a city employee, I can tell you that few of my union co-workers fit that stereotype. (We were all here working on Presidents Day) In fact, I have never worked anywhere with so many hard-working, happy, well adjusted, truly dedicated people. While many have college degrees, and some graduate degrees the average salary in my department is probably between 40-50k. No one here is bringing in 100k and I imagine few state workers do either. (I have a friend who was an attorney for the state making 50k.) We are a true cross-section of the middle class, are all required to live in the city limits and take a vow to be public servants. Don’t even get me started on teachers – we should all be doing anything we can to lift them up.
In a time when lobbyists and corporate donations control politics, I feel that any union which is lobbying for the working class is a necessary one. Especially one of this size. How else do we get a voice? Why is it that private sector employees would rather bring down their equals who have slightly better benefits than rise up against corporate greed?
JohnMason - I used to agree with what you are saying. I am the rare non-union city employee, and I usually consider myself a democrat. The specific situations you mention indicate a need for union reform and stricter hiring policies. But, as a city employee, I can tell you that few of my union co-workers fit that stereotype. (We were all here working on Presidents Day) In fact, I have never worked anywhere with so many hard-working, happy, well adjusted, truly dedicated people. While many have college degrees, and some graduate degrees the average salary in my department is probably between 40-50k. No one here is bringing in 100k and I imagine few state workers do either. (I have a friend who was an attorney for the state making 50k.) We are a true cross-section of the middle class, are all required to live in the city limits and take a vow to be public servants. Don’t even get me started on teachers – we should all be doing anything we can to lift them up.
In a time when lobbyists and corporate donations control politics, I feel that any union which is lobbying for the working class is a necessary one. Especially one of this size. How else do we get a voice? Why is it that private sector employees would rather bring down their equals who have slightly better benefits than rise up against corporate greed?
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Chris Edwards says that public employees should contribute to there pension fund. It is unfortunate that this was never pointed out as a fallacious statement since public employees in WI do contribute to there pension fund. For example teachers contribute about 5% of their pay and so do state prosecuters.
2007 - 2009 Collective Bargaining Agreements (Final-Printed Versions)
http://oser.state.wi.us/subcategory.asp?linksubcatid=1246&linkcatid=389&...
Characteristics of Large Public Education Pension Plans
http://www.nea.org/assets/docs/HE/CharacteristicsLargePubEdPensionPlans2...