Budrus: A Palestinian Village and Documentary Film
The story a Palestinian community organizer who united Fatah, Hamas and Israelis in an unarmed movement to save his village from destruction by the Israeli security barrier.
Guests
director/producer/writer of "Budrus." She wrote and co-directed "Encounter Point" and co-wrote and edited "Control Room"
founder and executive director of Just Vision, a World Economic Forum Young Global Leader, a term member at the Council on Foreign Relations and UN Alliance of Civilizations Global Expert.
employee at the Palestinian Interior Ministry and co-founder of the Popular Committee Against the Wall
senior fellow and director of the Project on the Middle East Peace Process at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and co-author with Dennis Ross of "Myths, Illusions and Peace: Finding a New Direction for America in the Middle East."






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Budrus seems like a clinical trial proof of concept -- the only solution that does not continue to spiral into permanent war is the solution of peaceful co-existence within a single, democratic state of Palestine and Israel together.
Israel and Palestine need Mandela and Tutu.
Amazing how everyone says a fence will not work on our southern border but seems to work quite well for Israel. You think we should get the Israelis to build our fence?
I do not think Israel has a right to exist as a religious state. It has a right to exist as a country that does not give second class citizenship to anyone who is not Jewish.
And if the Jews were to face this reality, then perhaps giving free access to all holy sites in what the West calls the "Holy Land" is more key than demanding that the Jewish state be wiped from the face of the earth.
The freedom to worship in this area has ALWAYS been at the heart of the issue.
All religions need free access to the Holy Land
The direction for solutions seem to have ignored ALL of this fundamental problem demanding permanent solution.
For the United States, having more Jews here than in Israel, the problem of access has been solved by the creation of an Israeli State. But that creation has caused conflict with the Islamic world. They are not guaranteed access to their religious sites if either Jewish or Christian peoples have sovereignty over this property.
And this is especially true since Islam seems to been as aggressive in spreading its beliefs as Christianity.
Belief should be left to each individual and to each family and should not be forced upon anyone. This is actually impossible. But there are those in all three religions who think this can be done with force. And this too is at the heart of this conflict.
Israel should be a democracy or some form of government that does not identify the political state with ANY religion, and does not impinge the right of any religion to practice its beliefs. And this too should be recognized as integral to the solution of this conflict.
Point one: The State of Israel is NOT a theocracy or "religious state" as is Iran. Israel is a secular democracy, but has religious parties, Jewish and Muslim, who participate, but only 25% of Jewish Israelis identify themselves as religious.
Point two. All Israeli citizens, of whom 26% are NON-Jews, have full democratic rights, to vote for candidates in the Parliament (Knesset). But the people, mostly Arabs, in the occupied territories can elect their own Palestinian Authority parties and leaderships, such as those of Fatah and Hamas or others. Like Puerto Rico, they have their own local government.
Point three. The Jews are a tribe, and like all tribes they had an ancient religion. "Judaism" is the religion of the Jewish tribe ONLY. It is not a "universal" religion like Christianity or Islam.
Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, not the Jewish religion. But the Jewish religion is the tribal religion of the Jews only.
Point four. The land is not holy. Only God is holy. Land is just land. The Jewish state has always protected and kept all sites holy to all religions open and free to anyone to come and visit and worship there.
And there was never a Palestinian nation. This is a relatively new concept that grew up in response to Jewish nationalism, also called Zionism. No one denies that there are Arabs living on ancient Jewish soil, but deny that it makes it Arab land. Just as land that Jews lived on in foreign countries does not make them Jewish lands. Only Israel is Jewish land, and no place outside of Israel. But Arabs,and Islam in particular, have this habit of claiming lands far and wide as their own. We Zionist Jews do not accept Arab sovereignty on Jewish land. Period.
I don't understand these comparisons to Martin Luther King, who himself was pro-Zionist if you examine his statements about the conflict.
But comparisons to the American civil rights movement are not valid because most Blacks were not asking for a separate Black state in the United States, except for the Black Muslims. The Black Muslim movement was a separatist movement that did demand a separate territory for American black people, but that never became the mainstream position of most American black people. Most just wanted equal rights in US society and not a separate state, They did not demand that Washington DC be split between white and black countries.
So most of the comparisons between these two movements are spurious and silly.
regarding jgarbuz:
Point 1: you say Israel is not a religious state but you also say, "Only Israel is Jewish land, and no place outside of Israel." I wonder when this 'Israel' will decide on it's borders? How does land belong to a religion? Was it ol' God who took the land that Palestinians lived on for centuries and gave it to Israel or is all hidden somewhere in the bible?
Point 2: you point out that "only 25% of Jewish Israelis identify themselves as religious." It doesn't matter whether some are not observant. A lot of Christians in the US aren't observant, but the US isn't considered a Christian nation. It is not very democratic to have unequal prerequisites on citizenship, don't you think?.
Point three: you point out that 26% of Israeli citizens are 'NON-Jews'. But, is there any possibility that Israel will let that 26% climb to more than 50%? If Israel isn't a Jewish nation, then why is it that any Jew can claim immediate citizenship. Can a friendly Palestinian sneek into Israel and demand citizenship?
Point four: don't you think you are over using the term 'tribe'? It is a very slippery slope between Israel being a nation of a tribe that is a religion and being a nation based on a religion. To say that Israel is not a theocracy like Iran is disingenuous.
Point five: Israel was created in response to the horrors that were inflicted on the Jewish people. So a nation called 'Palestine' may not have been there but there were people whose families lived on the NON-Jewish land for many centuries before it was taken and declared to be Jewish land.
Point six: the Jewish aspect of Israel is the only item then stops reasonable and virtuous people from present day Israel and Palestine from living on a single (really) secular, democratic state that guarantees human rights for all (Palestinian and Israeli).
So there, I have more points than you did. I win.
You should read my previous post more carefully. Anyhow, Jews are a tribe, like the Navajos or Comanches. Every tribe had a religion, but many tribes have decided to adopt "universal religions" like Christianity or Islam or Buddhism, etc. But the Jewish tribe has stuck with its own religion since the beginning. Like every tribe, it has a tribal homeland. Those borders are in our tribal book of sagas, you call "the Bible." But as for modern day State of Israel, it now has a border with Egypt, which was negotiated in the peace treaty. It has a border with Jordan, also negotiated with a peace treaty. It may have one with Lebanon and Syria someday as well. And maybe with the Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians." But since they have no state, their independence and borders have to be negotiated face to face with the government of Israel. Until they do, there is no border with them. The 1949 Armistice line is not a border, but just a ceasefire line. When the Palestinians seriously sit down to negotiate with ISrael, then such matters will be hammered out. That is what peace talks are all about: creating states, borders, etc.
reply to jgarbuz:
I obviously read your post carefully and went to the trouble to make direct reference. From your reply I think you are of the bilblical version of justification. It is satisfying to have god on your side I suppose. I am more of the reasoning type.
Otherwise, I stand by my comment and see nothing to add from what you have said.
Dear Diane,
This is one of your most important shows, and this is a very important documentary. There has been too much death and suffering in Israel and Palestine. A nonviolent movement that joins Palestinians, Israelis and supporters has great promise not only for resisting the wall but for building new social relations.
The Israelis and Palestinians are related tribes with strong links between their languages, cuisine, and of course, attachment to their land. Recent genomic research shows that Jews from Europe and the Middle East can trace their ancestry back to the Middle East.
As Amos Oz says, it is not a matter of wrong vs. right, it is a matter of two rights. These two groups call the same place "home" and like the Catholics and Protestants of Northern Island, they must find a way to share that home.
The current situation causes great suffering for the Palestinians. The domination of militarism in Israel is perforating its democracy.
I hope that this nonviolent movement flourishes. Many thanks to the filmmakers for educating all of us with this film. Mr.Ayed Morrar is worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.
right on
Excellent show on an important subject.
Thank you for broadcasting this story. It is good to see non-violent resistence getting media attention.
Thank you for allowing us to listen to these grounded, ethical, and inspiring voices on your show. As beautifully told in this new film, the story of Budrus confirms that grassroots activism, especially with participation across factional, ethnic, and national lines, does force Israel to work harder to sustain its 43-year occupation over the Palestinian West Bank and Gaza Strip. This is key, for no occupier ever leaves until the political price becomes too high to pay.
Although the victories of these popular struggles do not come fast or frequently enough, they continue to make a difference. In the meantime they have forever transformed the people who join them.
Thank you for doing a program on the new documentary film Budrus. Americans are woefully ignorant of the long history of nonviolent resistance in Palestine and how the American civil rights movement inspired peoples around the world. I hope you will do many more programs on other groups that are working nonviolently to end the occupation and Israeli oppression. I urge you to invite some of the Americans who were on the latest Free Gaza Flotilla to talk about why they went and what they experienced. Several are from the D.C. area including Amb. Edward Peck and Huwaida Arraf. Your listeners need to hear the truth from those who were there.
Sincerely,
A. Hume
Thank you for this wonderful interview about such an important film! As a Jewish American, I am so happy to see the American media showing that there ARE powerful, successful nonviolent movements among the Palestinian people. The brave Israelis activists who stand with them should be commended as well, as they stand together, united for justice. Where there is understanding and respect, there can be peace. Kudos to the Diane Rehm Show for bringing this documentary attention! Thank you and keep it up!
I too applaud the brave people who are working for a non-violent solution. I also agree with the guest who commented that had the Palestinians only adopted this approach from the start, they'd be celebrating 62 years of statehood.
On the other hand, those who suggest a "one-state" solution should go ask Lebanon, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan (among others) how well that worked out. Want to try a "one-state" solution for India and Pakistan, for China and Taiwan, for the Koreas? The two-state solution (authorized back in 1948 by the U.N., but rejected by the Arabs) is the only solution!
I think I am one of those. I suggest you think about South Africa. I also do not see the relevance of any of your examples to the Israel-Palestine situation. For that matter, what about the US's long assimilation of cultures, races, and religions. Oh yes, and Canada too. The failure to live in harmony is due to parochial attitudes with differences in religion, culture, or politics. It is completely clear that the message of this village is co-existing not as neighbors but as one people. To say that it somehow implies that the two-state solution could have worked completely misses the point.
The problem with the two-state solution is that it has been failing by increaing degrees since the creation of Israel; both peoples want the same land! Shazam: both people can live on the same land if both can co-exist on the same land.
What does Israel want?? If the Palestinians fight, they are called terrorists, if they vote, they elect the wrong people, if if they resort to demonstrations their wrists get broken!!
So what are their options?
I saw the film Budrus and think that the Palestinians and the Israeli and international activists who joined them are courageous and steadfast. I also heard Ayed Morrar talk after the film was shown at AFI. He was superb and more are needed like him.
Bravo Diane Rehm for receiving Just Vision. It is time to get a different view to influence events and decision-making on all sides.
Diane - Thank you for covering the film Budrus on your show. I appreciate you taking the time and effort to communicate the reality of the Israeli Occupation in Palestine. The silence of other media outlets is deafening by comparison.
This was a great show!!!!! Thank you for this. Your show seems always to be right on the verve of what is important and needed dialog in our country. The Palestinian nonviolent movement, the dire situation in Gaza, and the excessive use of force by pariah governments are what my friends and peers are discussing. It is very refreshing to finally hear views points that mirror what real people feel and talk about.