Update on Gulf Oil Spill

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Update on Gulf Oil Spill

Public anger is mounting over the worst oil spill in U.S. history. A panel joins Diane for An update on BP’s latest, and riskiest, plan to contain the leak, and political and policy challenges facing the Obama Administration.

Public anger is mounting over the worst oil spill in U.S. history. A panel joins Diane for An update on BP’s latest, and riskiest, plan to contain the leak, and political and policy challenges facing the Obama Administration.

Guests

Stephen Power

reporter, Wall Street Journal.

Elgie Holstein

vice president for land, water and wildlife programs for Environmental Defense Fund.

Tadeusz Patzek

chairman of petroleum and geosystems engineering at the University of Texas at Austin.

Congressman Ed Markey

Mass, Dem

Mike Frenette

captain, charter fishing boat, Venice Louisiana

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Why not simply crimp or crush the riser pipe as a stop-gap measure???

June 1, 2010 - 3:09 am

My husband keeps asking -- what happens if nothing works to stop the flow of oil. How much oil is believed to be down there and how long will it continue to spill into the gulf? Is this oil reserve connected to other reserves? If so, will it be drawing oil from them? Thank you, Peggy, St. Louis

June 1, 2010 - 9:53 am

I would love to know more about the viability of the solutions put forth by Matter of Trust - collecting hair and creating booms. I know that they are said to sink, but I've also heard of several inventions that will help them float - it seems like a cost-effective method of collecting oil, and one that is at least worth a try.

June 1, 2010 - 10:01 am

I heard on BBC last night someone talking about bombing the wellhead-apparently it has been used on undersea wells by the Soviets. The reason mentioned that BP was not proposing this action is that after this, BP would not be able to get oil from this well in the future. All their proposals so far allow them to get oil from this wellhead at some future date. Thanks for the work you do. Meriel, Raleigh, NC

June 1, 2010 - 10:25 am

Can someone speak about the secret talks that Dick Cheney had with the oil companies and the legilation that was drafted from it. Also the culture of Pro-big oil lack of oversight from the Bush administration that has lingered in the Obama administration.

Thank you

Ed

June 1, 2010 - 10:28 am

Please ask Prof. Patzek......

Is there a significant difference in the volume or pressure of oil spewed by a breach at 18,000 feet versus 25,000 feet.

And, if the well is 30% deeper than permitted, does that materially affect the nature of the well.

Thanks

Caroline
Chapel Hill, NC

June 1, 2010 - 10:29 am

I recently heard that only BP uses electronic blowout preventers; all other companies use hydraulic preventers. Electronic preventers are known to be unreliable. Any comments on that?

June 1, 2010 - 10:30 am

Float a large concrete weight with a long narrow steel cone attached to the bottom; to be used as a PLUG. This heavy structure will be lower to the well head and the steel cone guided into the well head hole. This will involve removing the blowout protector struture leaving just the well head exposed. This enormous concrete weight and plug will keep any pressure back as long as the steel cone structure is down in the well head hole. There may be a problem removing the blowout struture at this depth; which can be removed with in several ways.

Tim Pastor

June 1, 2010 - 10:31 am

I find it interesting that all these "experts" talk about what should be done to resolve the issue. The one guest mentioned that BP should be held accountable and should not be allowed to "make it up as they go along".

If I am not mistaken everyone is making this up as they go along because it has never been done before. As one was mentioned there are a handfull of companys who do this type of work and they are already working on it.

It is very easy to sit at a desk and tell other people how to do their job. If they are so sure that they can solve the problem why arent these "experts" on site resolving the issue rather than giving their opinons on talk shows.

Bill

June 1, 2010 - 10:34 am

I've heard reports of how the thousands of Gulf of Mexico drilling rigs weather hurricanes well. How do they do this, but a super tanker cannot? Where do the drilling rigs store the oil they've pumped up? Why wouldn't we just haul a new rig into the original spot, stabilize it, and use it to control the oil flow instead of a tanker?

June 1, 2010 - 10:35 am

When I lived on the Florida Gulf Coast, property developers, the tourist industry and coastal residents resisted shallow water off-shore drilling for aesthetic reasons, and for the potential impact on their property values. Consequently, it seems that oil drilling went farther and deeper into the Gulf.

As a nation, we must face the consequences of our oil consumption, and not be hypocritical about the exploration of oil as it inconveniences our daily sensibilities. If we don't see it, it doesn't seem to bother us unless we have to deal with the abomination of the current environmental calamity.

June 1, 2010 - 10:43 am

Diane please ask your guests:

Can BP float a large concrete weight with a long (10 foot) narrow steel cone attached to the bottom of this weight to be used as a PLUG. This heavy structure will be lower to the well head and the steel cone guided into the well head hole. This will also involve removing the blowout protector struture leaving just the well head exposed. This enormous concrete weight and plug will keep any pressure back as long as the steel cone structure is down in the well head hole. There may be a problem removing the blowout struture at this depth; which can be removed with in several ways; one being a guided exsplosive device to remove it.

Thanks,
Tim Pastor
Dallas, TX

June 1, 2010 - 10:43 am

I am very curious about international law. How far out into the Gulf does the U.S. have authority to issue oil licenses? Is it because the pipelines lead into U.S. territory? I have heard that countries such as China are also drilling in the Gulf. Who has given them license? What laws would they be bound by during their drilling operations?

June 1, 2010 - 10:44 am

What about inserting a very long thin air bladder made of Kevlar or some such material and pumping it full of air or mud to use the sides of the well or seafloor to seal off the pipe?

Richard - Fort Myers FL

June 1, 2010 - 10:45 am

I love how everyone talks about "we have to see how much BP will be required to pay." If anyone wants the real answer to that question, see Exxon Valdez and how much they have paid after fighting their responsibility in court for years. The people and environment around Prince William Sound are still devastated. This current spill does not even compare to the Valdez spill, and BP has started pointing fingers from day 1. Why does anyone think they will pay anything close to their share?

June 1, 2010 - 10:50 am

I think that one of the callers comments about revoking bp's license is reflective of many americans view on justice, to punish. In my opinion, I think that bp should be held accountable financially and environmentally to clean up the mess and compensenate those whose lively has been affected. They should be allowed to continue to drill this well, as they will need all the income they can get to take care of the mess. If bp is ruined by this incident, what will that accomplish? They are a business, and it would be in their best interests (all of our best interests) not to make the same mistake again, and I think they and our government will make sure that it does not happen again.

June 1, 2010 - 10:49 am

Why is CONSERVATION of oil never talked about? People do not seem to be changing their habits these days as much as we could.

June 1, 2010 - 10:51 am

I'm a plumber, not an engineer, but it would seem to me the pipe could be cut off cleanly and a sleeve or repair coupling clamped or welded on.

At the other end of this device would be a large turn-off valve that could be slowly closed off manually to ebb the flow of oil.

Ric
Keene NH

June 1, 2010 - 10:52 am

If you have seen the documentary The Corporation, you will be familiar with the economics term externalities - which are the external costs of any enterprise which are borne on everyone else but the enterprise itself. In order for BP to be more profitable, and let's face it, in order for us to all have cheaper oil, we have allowed for this catastrophe to happen. Who is going to pay for it? Let's not kid ourselves, we all will, and it is something we should have been paying for all along by sanctioning more rigid and safer practices. What is the trade off? Cheaper oil vs. the environment, the livelihood of those in the Gulf region, and so on. Was it worth it? Now we get to know.

June 1, 2010 - 11:04 am

An informed 'optimist' as you branded your guest is only an optimist in the eyes of an uniformed pessimist.

June 1, 2010 - 10:53 am

What can private citizens do? Boycott BP. No one who considers him/herself to be a patriotic American should be buying gas in a BP gas station. Given the involvement of Halliburton (aka Dick Cheney Inc), something about this doesn't feel right, and it wouldn't surprise me if BP might suddenly "discover" a way to plug this hole if faced with a nationwide boycott.

June 1, 2010 - 10:59 am

Would an immensly heavy wedge close the flow if it's descent was focused and controlled? It could be partially buried on impact and subsequently driven further.

Is BP staging the logistics for the next plan while the current plan is in action?

Thank you for the chance to communicate.

June 1, 2010 - 11:08 am

See my comment about installing/welding/clamping a repair coupling with a large turn-off valve at the other end that could be manually and SLOWLY turned down to ebb the oil flow.

Even if this was happening on land, the pipe could not be crushed.

Liken this to a broken fire hydrant, not with water gushing out at 100 psi but oil and gas at 10 times or more the pressure.

Put this scene a mile underwater and the complications are exponential.

Ric

Keene NH

June 1, 2010 - 11:09 am

It seems reasonable that traditional solutions are not working to cap this well. Why not try non-traditional "out of the box" thinking. Individuals with varied backgrounds need to be brought in to invent a solution for this complex problem. Sometimes the simplest solutions are often the best. Why not try "freezing" the flow of this gusher using nitrogen. Three natural properties favor this approach.
1.) nitrogen is easily converted to a liquid at these depths
2.) nitrogen is extremely cold in a liquid state
3.) the viscosity of oil is reduced when chilled

June 1, 2010 - 11:14 am

Boycotting BP would be a symbolic gesture. We may find some culpability on their part if we learn they cut corners, but this our national collective problem. We allowed this to happen. Drilling for oil can probably be done more safely (and at a higher cost) as we move towards weaning ourselves off of it. But the problem is, it is too cheap. When gas was expensive, only then did people curtail some of their driving, now that it is "cheaper" more people are on the roads. And people by and large are unwilling to give that up. People complain about not having alternatives, but if you want to save 10% on your fuel costs? It is simple, drive 10% less. That would be the most effective thing for people to do. That, and support some reasonable and forward-thinking energy policy that would encourage mass transit, alternate fuels, and conservation. If people would consider the task of planning their travel, you'd be surprised how much one could save.

June 1, 2010 - 11:19 am

I agree with your opinion. The cost of stopping the flow of oil into the Gulf, and repair of the damage should not be externalized though.
As far as "They are a business, and it would be in their best interests (all of our best interests) not to make the same mistake again, ...", I also agree with that. Preparation is necessary and the logistics need to be on hand to quickly stop another similar disaster. The cost of that should be externalized.
My own opinion is that BP is trying to stop it. My wish is that they can.

June 1, 2010 - 11:39 am

I'm planning on going to the Alabama gulf coast in late June. My husband & I will rent a small house or condo, eat at local restaurants, take local tours, etc. and try to help the local economy in a small way. I don't know what condition the beach will be like later this month. We have fears it may not be very nice, but don't know for sure. I'm sure we will find fun things to do. If they want or need volunteers at that time, then we will volunteer our time. I encourage anyone to take a "vacation" to the gulf coast & help in any way they can as a paying tourist.

June 1, 2010 - 1:28 pm

I don't say this to be 'funny' as this is hardly a situation to joke about; however, I do think it's time to think way outside the scientific, technological box. Has anyone thought to contact Clive Cussler? The man manages to come up with some of the most outlandish underwater situations and the most unorthodox solutions to them. He may write fiction but his imagination and problem solving in his novels might just carry over to help fix this mess. At this point, it's worth a try....

June 1, 2010 - 2:22 pm

It has been reported the only sure stop for this type of leak is performed by two relief wells. But they take months to drill. How would it impact off-shore oil exploration if the regulation required simultaneous drilling of the two relief wells along with the primary well? The relief wells could then be stopped a few days short of intersecting the primary and completed only if there was a failure of the blowout preventer. The flow would then be stoppable in a short time instead of the multi months it takes to start from scratch. The two extra wells would then be just another cost in the total for safer off-shore drilling.
Designing and testing blowout preventers for worst case situations should be considered also; requiring them to effectively shot off the flow with drills, couplings or concrete in the device so time was bought until the relief wells and sealing were complete. Then spills would at least be manageable.

June 1, 2010 - 2:48 pm

A supertanker can hold 2 Million Barrels of oil.

Cut a LARGE HOLE in the DECK of the tanker.

Take tanker to bottom of ocean; invert it on the way down so hole in deck ends up right above the gusher. Hold in place with US Navy submarines.

Oil flows UP into tanker. Not into environment. Is not bothered by hurricanes on surface. Oil stays in tanker as long as hull is kept topmost.

If they can't fix things in the 200 or 300 days it would take to fill first tanker, get a second tanker ready to catch more oil.

QUIT TRYING TO CATCH OIL WITH A MILE-LONG STRAW THAT IS VULNERABLE TO HURRICANE SEASON!!

June 1, 2010 - 5:05 pm

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